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Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:28 pm

addled wrote:Hawkes, you were really quite rude and now seem to have had your nose put out of joint by a very polite comment, albeit a bit tongue in cheek. Also your post did have typos, which makes a mockery of your original complaint. Comments of this nature are counter productive, so shall we get back on topic?
hawkes wrote:My point, that you missed was that some dogs should not be in an city environment. Some are fine, others such as some terriers were never meant for city dwelling
I am curious as to your assertion that certain dog breeds aren't suitable for city life and it's something I partly agree with. I wouldn't advise a border collie as an urban pet for a family at work all day, but a retired person with the time and space to exercise them for a few hours a day would make a great owner. And remember, there is a LOT of wide open space in and around London. Another is the huskie. I know of a few owners and their dogs are never allowed off the lead because they wander and have poor recall. It wouldn't be my preference to own a dog that cannot run free where allowed.

Dogs are highly adaptable and, whilst terriers were originally bred for vermin control, they are perfect for urban living because of their small size and short range. An example is the Dachshund; a badger killer by breed, a perfect urban dog as per the example above.

Dogs were never meant for dwelling at all, but we adapted them to our needs. This adaptation hasn't ceased, it is an ongoing process and once-rural, working dogs have adapted very well for town life and are thriving.
I think we’re agreeing here. Dogs who can’t be recalled should be kept on leads and not be allowed to do as they please in parks – stealing food, pouncing on kids etc and there’s the cruelty they are then not allowed freedom. Therefore only have well trained dogs who are suitable for city life.

Good point re dachshunds and collies. Very nice to have a serious debate rather than have the vitriol I’ve had in the past few days which I found a bit weird so deflected it with a few off the cuff comments which didn’t seem to go down too well. Man it’s no wonder that these forums are dominated by a few heavy users who are obviously above us mere mortals !
From now on I think I’ll just stay out of it and just laugh at the many 1st world forum discussions - “Does anyone know a proper tutor to teach my youngest mandarin while I consider bottox due to the worry lines caused by feckless husband not getting a 6 figure bonus meaning we’re going to have to lay off one of the nannies and make do on 3 holidays this year”

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Mummykane » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:17 pm

Hawkes your venting off at the wrong person?? I corrected your grammar mistake. Not once did I mention about disagreeing with any vets?? Gosh your ranting at so many people your crossing your wires completely!
Anyway take a deep breathe x

Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 3:11 pm

Spursmummy wrote:Oh no Hawkes grammar error from yourself? How awful when you corrected myself. So funny. Re read your post the end I'm sure should say be not me
How funny!!!!!!!
Yep I made a mistake ! Glad you spotted it!
Anyway – how about admitting you might just be wrong disagreeing with what experts think about certain types of dogs in cities?

Re: Dogs not on leads

by addled » Mon Sep 05, 2016 2:18 pm

Hawkes, you were really quite rude and now seem to have had your nose put out of joint by a very polite comment, albeit a bit tongue in cheek. Also your post did have typos, which makes a mockery of your original complaint. Comments of this nature are counter productive, so shall we get back on topic?
hawkes wrote:My point, that you missed was that some dogs should not be in an city environment. Some are fine, others such as some terriers were never meant for city dwelling
I am curious as to your assertion that certain dog breeds aren't suitable for city life and it's something I partly agree with. I wouldn't advise a border collie as an urban pet for a family at work all day, but a retired person with the time and space to exercise them for a few hours a day would make a great owner. And remember, there is a LOT of wide open space in and around London. Another is the huskie. I know of a few owners and their dogs are never allowed off the lead because they wander and have poor recall. It wouldn't be my preference to own a dog that cannot run free where allowed.

Dogs are highly adaptable and, whilst terriers were originally bred for vermin control, they are perfect for urban living because of their small size and short range. An example is the Dachshund; a badger killer by breed, a perfect urban dog as per the example above.

Dogs were never meant for dwelling at all, but we adapted them to our needs. This adaptation hasn't ceased, it is an ongoing process and once-rural, working dogs have adapted very well for town life and are thriving.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Mummykane » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:54 pm

Oh no Hawkes grammar error from yourself? How awful when you corrected myself. So funny. Re read your post the end I'm sure should say be not me
How funny!!!!!!!

Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:21 pm

hawkes wrote:
Spursmummy wrote:Thank you Hawkes for the suggestion of a grammar course! Such ignorance is quite laughable. Maybe stick to the point of the matter which incase you forgot is about dogs and children not picking up on how or what people have said and how they have said it.
Gosh such stupidity! There was me thinking this site was for people to be able to discuss topics??????????
Enjoy your day NV
My point, that you missed was that some dogs should not be in an city environment. Some are fine, others such as some terriers were never meant for city dwelling
Very sorry for wanting to see correct grammar – I shan’t let this happen again !
Profuse apologise for a double post, it must have been very annoying but I’m sure if you give it time you’ll get over it. As the days pass you’ll remember it less.

Sounds like you’re disagreeing with what many vets say to suit your own argument. Go on admit that you might me wrong !

Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:15 pm

Spursmummy wrote:Thank you Hawkes for the suggestion of a grammar course! Such ignorance is quite laughable. Maybe stick to the point of the matter which incase you forgot is about dogs and children not picking up on how or what people have said and how they have said it.
Gosh such stupidity! There was me thinking this site was for people to be able to discuss topics??????????
Enjoy your day NV
My point, that you missed was that some dogs should not be in an city environment. Some are fine, others such as some terriers were never meant for city dwelling

Re: Dogs not on leads

by addled » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:04 pm

hawkes wrote: Not sure what a dim “whit” is but I’m sure it’s a very nice ! Maybe this poster needs to learn how to spell and probably should go on a grammar course – “ I ‘ve also been sat…” ! (only joking !)
My point is that some dogs are not bred for city lives even huge spaces like commons and parks, this has been told to me by various vets.
A bit of a pedantic low blow, pulling people up for their grammar. How do you know the poster isnt dyslexic. I must have missed the meeting where we elected you as judge. Surely the sentiment of the message is important but that's been overlooked by you.

Oh, and you committed the noob schoolboy error of the double post. Shabby.

There's a lot of what vets say that I find questionable, their advice on nutrition for one. Eschewing a natural diet for one based on over processed grain and additives, you would laugh in the face of your GP if they suggested you eat Pot Noodle and chicken nuggets every day.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Mummykane » Mon Sep 05, 2016 1:03 pm

Thank you Hawkes for the suggestion of a grammar course! Such ignorance is quite laughable. Maybe stick to the point of the matter which incase you forgot is about dogs and children not picking up on how or what people have said and how they have said it.
Gosh such stupidity! There was me thinking this site was for people to be able to discuss topics??????????
Enjoy your day NV

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Herculesmum » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:44 pm

FTW makes some good points and I don't think he/she deserves the reaction she is getting.

I have children and dogs and so no one can accuse me of not seeing both sides of the coin.

Its worth noting that the "dog section" of the Common is the patch of grass next to the bandstand and cafe. The separation being the paved walkway. Unfortunately I'm yet to see a dog that understands the line so occasionally they cross over, and similarly sometimes people picnic in this section and then wonder why there are dogs whizzing past them at speed.

Similarly there is a "children only" section next to the bandstand that children can play in if they don't want to deal with dogs.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to put a fence around the cafe to keep the dogs out. Purely to stop this animosity between dog owners and parents. Regarding the bandstand though, alot of those of us that are in control of a dog are also in control of a toddler and the bandstand is a thoroughfare so not realistic to enclose that.

I always pick up my mess and everyone I know does the same. I agree that should be more strictly enforced as it is a minority that is giving all of the rest of us a bad name.

I don't consider my dog a status symbol. She is a part of my family and I want what is best for her.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:36 pm

Spursmummy wrote:I would just like to point out I totally agree with the person who said about children running round out of sight of their parent/carer's! This is so true I've witnessed many a times young toddlers roaming around unattended without an adult even near them? I've also been sat by a park on a common and dirty nappies have been left on the floor. So for all the dog haters on here how about either educating yourselves or your nanny's about how to use a bin rather than jumping on dog owners! It's very true if you kept an eye on your children rather than sitting drinking cups of coffees you'd be more aware of what your child is up too. As for the dim whit who said certain dogs should only be in the countryside ? I mean really has to be the most hideous comment I've read on here so far!
As a human dogs only react if they feel the need too! Commons are for humans and dogs! X
Not sure what a dim “whit” is but I’m sure it’s a very nice ! Maybe this poster needs to learn how to spell and probably should go on a grammar course – “ I ‘ve also been sat…” ! (only joking !)
My point is that some dogs are not bred for city lives even huge spaces like commons and parks, this has been told to me by various vets.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by hawkes » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:35 pm

Spursmummy wrote:I would just like to point out I totally agree with the person who said about children running round out of sight of their parent/carer's! This is so true I've witnessed many a times young toddlers roaming around unattended without an adult even near them? I've also been sat by a park on a common and dirty nappies have been left on the floor. So for all the dog haters on here how about either educating yourselves or your nanny's about how to use a bin rather than jumping on dog owners! It's very true if you kept an eye on your children rather than sitting drinking cups of coffees you'd be more aware of what your child is up too. As for the dim whit who said certain dogs should only be in the countryside ? I mean really has to be the most hideous comment I've read on here so far!
As a human dogs only react if they feel the need too! Commons are for humans and dogs! X
Not sure what a dim “whit” is but I’m sure it’s a very nice ! Maybe this poster needs to learn how to spell and probably should go on a grammar course – “ I ‘ve also been sat…” ! (only joking !)
My point is that some dogs are not bred for city lives even huge spaces like commons and parks, this has been told to me by various vets.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Mummykane » Mon Sep 05, 2016 12:00 pm

Nappies being left on the ground in parks is a problem. Not a made up one so petal please continue to roll your eyes. In fact a short while ago people on here and other forums were complaining about exactly the issue of nappies!
Just like your self stop bashing dog owners. I totally agree everyone should be responsible for either their child or dog and quite rightly too. So should everyone be responsible for ensuring they pick up after themselves. Many thanks

Re: Dogs not on leads

by cb0 » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:55 am

Petal, I certainly wasn't parent bashing. I am truly sorry that the op's child was hurt. There are bad dog owners that don't control their dogs however they are in the minority. There are also parents that do not control their children and that could be as simple as making sure they aren't hitting a child or hitting a dog or other animal with a stick or going too fast on a scooter that they hurt someone, these are also in the minority. The point I was trying to make is that everyone plays on the common, it is common land. It is not a child playground or even a dog free area. People doing exercise, groups of teenagers, parents and children, bird watchers, elderly, dog owners (many of whom are also parents) and all the wildlife all share the common, all these people could get in an uproar about the other, my point is that we all have a responsibility to behave respectfully on the common and the majority do. In terms of your dog poo comment, how exactly do you know that some of that poo isn't fox poo, if it is dog poo I truly hate people not picking it up too, however equally other people who leave all sorts of poisonous dangerous rubbish around for wildlife to find are also one of my hates (yes that includes peach stones). This is what I mean by respectful. Everyone should leave the common as they find it, picking up any rubbish or poo etc no matter if canine or human.

Re: Dogs not on leads

by Mummykane » Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:00 am

Well said. X

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