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Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:04 pm

I apologise it's very complicated to understand and explain in a few words. Of course I'll sit down with my bosses and talk to them, that's what we've always been doing for the past 5 years.
I'm writing here for informal advice, ex
exchanging opinions. I know where to go who to ask for back up. I'm only saying, again, that when someone's been working for some time in the same place it's hard to swallow some worse conditions at workplace. Then again one has the freedom to either accept it or not. :)

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:07 pm

Maybe I'm not explaining myself well...
When you exclude/include bank holidays to your statutory allowance it does make a difference. The difference lies in there. If I had my allowance 10 excluding let's say 4/5 BHS then I would have more flexibility as in when to go away (as in the past 5 years).
I never said my boss going on holiday is a problem, the question is if BHS are included like mine we're even, if not we're not on same level. What I did say is that once boss personal allowance is over I'll get paid at a reduced rate. Payroll company I spoke to said it's not common practice. That's all. I'm not complaining about holiday allowance. Including or excluding BHS as said earlier makes a difference. No, I can't work any other days as somebody else is employed. I just want things to be fair for everyone. Thanks for your input though.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by atbattersea » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:14 pm

tatabella wrote:From Dec 2017 to August 2018 there are 7 Bank holidays in total.
Actually there are eight, one of those is on a Friday. Plus Christmas day and New Year's day are on a Tuesday next year and Boxing day is on a Wednesday. So, in the calendar year there are only five on Mondays in 2018. In 2019 these are the only five that will affect you.

The only way around this is to ask to work flexibly. Other than that I guess you can ask to take unpaid leave. If these don't work for you, and it really is a problem, then you need to look for another job.
tatabella wrote:That's not the point though: as mentioned before my boss has a personal allowance of 15 days excluding bank holidays.... they can go on holiday when they want plus more days for them at a reduced rate for me.
Why would your boss being on holiday result in less pay for you?

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Sat Dec 30, 2017 11:12 am

From Dec 2017 to August 2018 there are 7 Bank holidays in total. Of course I'll have to structure my holidays around it. That's not the point though: as mentioned before my boss has a personal allowance of 15 days excluding bank holidays.... they can go on holiday when they want plus more days for them at a reduced rate for me. It's already worse believe me. Especially if you've been working in same place for more than 5 years.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by atbattersea » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:55 am

At least one bank holiday is always on a Friday, three others will change year to year - in fact, in a calendar year three of those cannot all occur on Mondays. So, the reality is that you will have to take four Mondays in a year, and you might have to take a couple of others too. Therefore you are going to have to structure your holidays around the bank holidays.

It could be worse, you could get no allowance for the bank holidays.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:05 am

Working days= 2 Monday Tuesday
Statutory holiday 5.6×2=11.2-8 Bank holidays = 3 days per year
I may be thick but I see a huge difference especially when for the past 5 years bank holidays were excluded from my holiday allowance. I'm ready to compromise in that not all of the 8 Bank holidays were to be included.
That's how I see it. I may be wrong but it does make a big difference when going away.
Have to ask ACAS, I reckon. Employers is course free to include/ exclude bus. Just wondering that's all.
Thanks

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by atbattersea » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:37 pm

tatabella wrote:That's a valid point though I can't work any other day during the week as someone else is working the week. I would do it if I could.
I wonder if could still take my allowance 10 days plus 5 days of bh as my other colleague.
Is it not possible for two of you to work at the same time? Your colleague doing the alternative times to you could take the bank holiday week off – you could work the alternative day that week, rather than taking the bank holiday. In fact, you could potentially work any day your colleague takes as holidays, and bank those days as leave. You just need to approach the problem more flexibly, and have a fairly flexible boss.
tatabella wrote:Also my boss is taking 15 days excluding bank holidays so everyone else apart from me is having more flexibility choice of when to go on holiday. As mentioned earlier on top of it all of my boss goes on holiday more than 15 days they'll pay me at a reduced rate.... That I don't find fair.
I don't really understand why you'd get paid less if your boss takes more holiday.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:26 pm

That's a valid point though I can't work any other day during the week as someone else is working the week. I would do it if I could.
I wonder if could still take my allowance 10 days plus 5 days of bh as my other colleague. Also my boss is taking 15 days excluding bank holidays so everyone else apart from me is having more flexibility choice of when to go on holiday. As mentioned earlier on top of it all of my boss goes on holiday more than 15 days they'll pay me at a reduced rate.... That I don't find fair.
The filling holiday sheet thing mentioned by somebody else is I think a joke. Who wants to have a criminal record?!

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by atbattersea » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:25 pm

tatabella wrote:My point is that if you work Monday and Tuesday like I do and bh are part of your annual leave 11/10 days, you're left with 2/3 days holidays allowance per year!
Whereas my colleague who works Wednesday Thursday and Friday gets 16/17 days minus 1 Good Friday per year, leaving her with 15/16 days per year....surely this is not fair! Can't see it otherwise really! :)
As above, ask your boss if you can work an alternative day during the week with the Monday bank holiday - that way you save the holiday for another time.

I can't see that it is so much of a problem for you, even if you were forced to take each and every Monday Bank Holiday that would still only be a maximum of seven out of your possible holiday allowance. This would leave you with 13 clear days, and with working three days per week that gives you more than four week's continuous holidays - to take as you please.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by atbattersea » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:20 pm

petal wrote:...alternatively get a bit forgetful filling in your holiday sheet! Haha
Can I advise that you don't do that. It is fraud, so as well as being dismissed for gross misconduct you could also end-up with a criminal record.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:04 am

Hahaha thing is I can't be forgetful about filling holiday sheet! My boss does that!
I get that if you work part time Monday and Tuesday you get more holidays than someone who works Wednesday Thursday and Friday. There are fewer bank holidays falling on a Fridays than a Monday.
My point is that if you work Monday and Tuesday like I do and bh are part of your annual leave 11/10 days, you're left with 2/3 days holidays allowance per year!
Whereas my colleague who works Wednesday Thursday and Friday gets 16/17 days minus 1 Good Friday per year, leaving her with 15/16 days per year....surely this is not fair! Can't see it otherwise really! :)

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:20 pm

I have an allowance of 14 days including bank holidays. My contract runs from September to August. I've already taken, forced choice really, 3 bank holidays I've Xmas holidays, leaving me with 11 days allowance from which employer will deduct all other bank holidays....also, employer wiĺl have own holiday allowance of 15 days, excluding bank holidays! On top of it, if they go over these 15 days they'll pay me at a reduced rate. Sounds like a joke? Unfortunately not.

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by Ex Clapham resident » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:54 pm

If your annual leave entitlement for a full time person is 25 days you’d get 10 days annual leave (2/5 of 25) + 3 days Bank Hols (2/5 of 8). In my co you would then need to apply your 3 days Bank hol against all Bank hols falling on your working days of mon and tues. this year there were 7 so technically you’d have to use 4 days of your annual leave unless your company were lenient).

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:40 pm

What happens if you work part time i.e. Monday and Tuesday? You get 11.2 days of holiday allowance (btw, do you round that up to 12 or 11?), including 8 Bank holidays. Therefore you take 8 days out of your 11/12 day, leaving you with 4/3 days a year of holiday???
It sounds so wrong to me....
Anyone knows how this works? Thanks

Re: Part time annual leave calculation-HELP

by tatabella » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:31 pm

Hi there
I'm in a similar position: I work Monday and Tuesday, 10 hours each day so I get 14, including bank holidays. My colleague works on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday and she gets 16 days, including one Good Friday in March, leaving her with 15 days holidays.
I should add that I've been employed for almost 6 years on the same place and I used to have bank holidays excluded from my holiday allowance. I feel like I'm losing out on personal holidays as bank holidays are now being deducted from it. Employer including bh now as I think they'll save money.
Do you think it's fair they amended my contract in such a way? I think not as I've been a long term employee and have more duties.
I'm supposed to sign this new contract though don't want to. Any advice? Thanks!

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