A much more important issue is that if mayor Khan gets in again and you have an older car you will be paying through the nose just to park outside your own front door! Even more than shown here:

https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-sto ... -in-london

The conservative mayor candidate says that he will scrap new charges if he gets in.And for general election conservative any vote else ware is wasted now we are out of the EU and for Corbyn to get in will put this country into a bigger mess than already is.
 

Ratski wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:34 amOne can only hope we get rid of Marxist Marsha the Corbyn Acolyte, watching John McDonnell on Marr this morning was almost enough to bring up my weetabix.

The undemocratic authoritarian gimp Gitsham looks like he struggles with his geography as his twitter profile pic has him outside Balham Tube stop, so that’s a non starter.

Not particularly impressed with Kim Caddy either she looks like a Soubry clone and I thought the Tories were going to clear out these ‘moderate’ types.

Definitely going to be a hold your nose and vote day.

Thank you for your kind words about me. I'm afraid I was too busy running an election campaign at the time you posted this to see it. 

I hope you got the outcome you wished for. If you wish to ever speak to me in person, I am happy to do so and I hope that you would find I am not a "gimp" nor undemocratic or authoritarian, whatever you meant by that.

Best wishes,

Mark
 

This thread is utterly depressing!

After nearly 10 years of austerity and the Tories, I cannot believe that anybody is seriously considering voting Conservative.

And as for talking about the last time we had a left wing government and dragging up the IMF, somebody doesn't know their history.  The Callaghan government wasn't really a left wing government and Denis Healey was certainly no friend of the left (read about it).  Also, the only reason Healey went to the IMF was because he was given the wrong figures by the Treasury!  The Treasury had grossly overestimated the public borrowing requirements.  Either way, only half the loan was ever used and it was repaid in full by May 1979.  So Labour only used about $1.95bn of the $3.9bn loan AND repaid it all.

Also remember, Labour had taken over after a disastrous Heath government.

Let's contrast this with Black Wednesday in 1992.  Where due also to a run on sterling, the Tory government tried to artificially keep sterling in the ERM.  The government spent £3.3m and achieved nothing!

I haven't even touched the subject of the North Sea Oil revneues that Thatcher squandered and used to pay for unemployment benefits on the nearly 4m, fighting an idiological war against the unions and specifically the miners and giving massive tax breaks to the wealthy!

Why anybody thinks that the Tories are the party of good economics and fiscal conservatism is beyond me.  Anybody with an internet connection and a computer can research this for themselves and come to their own conclusions.  Try Prime Economics or Channel 4 Fact Check.

We have a representative democracy not a presidential system.  We're voting for a party not an individual.  Regardless of whether or not I like any of the leaders of the main political parties, I look at the policies of that party and what I want for the country.

 

janee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:05 pm Ratski: so your extremely intelligent contribution to the discussion is personal, inaccurate abuse! - were you trained by Jane Ellison, our previous MP, who was very eager to accuse people of things without any evidence to support it.  Which of Marsha's policies do you disagree with?

We are all entitled to our opinions and calling her Marxist Marsha the Corbyn Acolyte when she is standing for the Marxist Labour Party led by the antisemitic and terrorist supporting scum that is Corbyn is all factually correct.

I don’t like Marxists and I don’t like socialism so have absolutely no interest whatsoever in any of Labour’s policies.

I also had no time for Jane Ellison, as an ardent Brexiteer and traditional conservative myself I regularly heckled her when I saw her campaigning for remain during the referendum and mocked her for the progressive liberal non-Conservative that she was.

I am so bored of all this fake diversity and inclusivity bollocks that we are being brainwashed with 24/7. I’ll be voting for the least woke and most politically incorrect candidate going.

I think the opposite. The poll analysis I read in the evening standard said any vote not for labour would put the tories in.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.stan ... html%3famp

So to vote Lib Dem isn't a tactical vote in this borough?  Bearing in mind European Elections have always been different from General Elections.  Is the consensus that the choice is either Lib Dem or Labour and the Conservatives have little chance?

Ratski: so your extremely intelligent contribution to the discussion is personal, inaccurate abuse! - were you trained by Jane Ellison, our previous MP, who was very eager to accuse people of things without any evidence to support it.  Which of Marsha's policies do you disagree with?

A lot has changed since the 2017 election and the most recent polling puts the Lib Dem’s well ahead: In Wandsworth, the Lib Dem’s took 36.7% of the vote in May (more than double Labour at 15.8% and nearly four times Conservative at 9.6%; they are also likely to pull in the 7.4% Change UK voters). Estimates are that Lib Dem support was especially high in Battersea at 41.7%.

A vote for Lib Dem = a vote to stop Brexit.

Personally as a Remainer, I could not bring myself to vote Conservative in this election: A vote for Conservative = a vote for Brexit.

Battersea Conservative candidate Kim Caddy was quoted in the Evening Standard last week as saying she is a remainer but supports Boris’s deal.

It is hard to find any positive in Boris’s ‘deal’ aside from stopping us crashing out of the EU: This so called ‘deal’ will see us pay our divorce bill of billions and leave the EU with only a deal only until December 2020, which seems irresponsible. We have no trade deals in place beyond then and absolutely no certainty about what might be negotiated. It seems a huge gamble with our future. It is a myth that we can ‘get Brexit done’ and then move on to the domestic agenda as we will spend years negotiating trade deals and talking about Brexit (whilst the economy is plunged into recession and everyone in the UK is worse off!).

I’m not a fan of Labour either: Labour’s Marsha de Cordova is a Momentum Corbynite through and through. She is presenting herself as a Remain supporter, but it is very telling that her name was absent from the 71 Labour MPs who declared they will support a second referendum.

Meanwhile the Battersea Labour Party (mirroring the national party) has taken a real lurch to the left. At their conference, Battersea Labour put forward a motion to abolish private schools and redistribute their properties to the state. Hardly seems a vote winner in an area where so many children attend private schools (or even slightly practical - it’s hard to imagine where they would magic up the cash to fund such an extreme policy).

The Lib Dems are the only sensible centre party remaining. The Conservatives have become indistinguishable from the Brexit Party and seem to have expunged or alienated any sensible Tory MPs, and the Labour Party has moved to the extreme Left under Corbyn.

So Lib Dems have my vote!

The damage to the economy under a Corbyn/McDonnell government will make Brexit look like a non-event.  Even ignoring the wilder Tory claims it would still be really bad if Labour won a majority: renationalisation of utility companies will lead to lawsuits from shareholders (which includes your pension funds that will take a hit from Labour's underestimation of the companies' value) and billions in compensation claims. Spending a further £250 billion (McDonnell's statement) on trying to get to zero-carbon in the UK would be a catastrophic waste of money and is 'jumping on the bandwagon' politics without being thought through.  The UK is responsible for less than 1% of global carbon emissions.  China is responsible for 28% (coal-fired power stations), India around 6% and the USA's contribution is 15%.  The way to improve our climate and cut pollution is through advancing environmental technologies - in which the UK is a leader.  Practical steps that could be taken include switching buses/trains/lorries/vans/cars to LPG or electricity from renewable sources and making cycling safer (segregated lanes) as well as (sorry to say this) having fewer children to reduce consumption which is the inevitable result of overpopulation.  Boris Johnson has tacked rightwards on Brexit to stop Farage, but other Tory policies are very centrist.  For the record, I'm a Eurosceptic Remainer (I don't like the CAP, Fisheries Policy, the idea of a European superstate and certainly not the Euro which has so damaged every economy in the EU block apart from Germany's) but to leave without a plan or a credible alternative to the single market when the rest of the world are coalescing into trading blocks has been foolish.  However, when I speak to Leavers I know, none of them have changed their minds because for them it's not about the economic damage, it's about wanting the supremacy of UK institutions (UK supreme court vs ECJ), stricter immigration controls to improve job prospects of the lower skilled / paid and sovereignty of Parliament.  Another referendum would be divisive, lead to further paralysis of government and frankly may not lead to the Remainer majority people seem to think it likely.  In summary, my view is that 'Actions must have Consequences' otherwise there can be no learning, only resentment.  Many of us think leaving the EU even with a weak deal is a bad idea, but simply rerunning a referendum is a worse one.  The Liberal Democrats are a misnomer - they are neither Liberal nor Democratic - because they cannot accept that other people think and feel differently from them, wishing to overturn a referendum result because they lost.  And personally, I find their slogan 'B******s to Brexit' to be vulgar and it has lowered the political tone of debate in this country.  I'm going to hold my nose and vote Tory and especially because their candidate Kim Caddy is local having been a successful Wandsworth Councillor (protecting our Commons, supporting local business) and a polite, practical and hardworking lady whom I met when she was standing in local elections in neighbouring Streatham.

And as I posted elsewhere on this site, labour’s Marsha De Cordova has claimed around £35k of expenses in 2018/19 Compared to Tory Jane Ellison claiming annual expenses of around £160k!!

Just some pesky facts here for anyone who sees this seat as a ‘long-standing conservative’ seat

Martin Linton held this seat for Labour from 1997-2010.
Martin Linton incidentally was named as an expenses angel by the telegraph I.e. one of a handful of sitting MPs who did not overclaim in expenses (as a London MP he barely claimed any in fact)
Jane Ellison won it for the conservatives in 2010 and again in 2015 before losing it back to Labour in 2017

There are some interesting observations, and  some unwitting anecdotal mis-interpretations in this pertinent thread. Thanks @Denshort for starting the needed and tech-enabled debate, if comments are from Battersea residents. Thanks @Astolot for Gini Coefficient and for corrections about long-standing MP (what of great Alfred Dubs).

In my mind, or my pennys worth: it is an indisputable fact that the country needs Jeremy Corbyn "the Marxist" socialist antisemite friend-of-terrorist or whatever other smear the corporate right-wing press release as narratives for the "unwitting". I support Mr Corbyn and Labour Party machinery for the "Green Industrial Deal" and other people-driven pledges which are realistic yet ambitious, such as:

4-day working week,
scrap student tuition fees,
re-nationalisation of utilities
etc etc ad nausem

We are NOW in a period that has parralls with 1979 when the great late Mrs T. was ushered in - bless her! Then as now UK was at standstill from miners strikes tagged "Winter of Discontent". Fast forward today we have a democratic impasse in Parliament about the burning populist issue of the mileu: delivery of "Brexit" referendum. And we have climate change and China-emergence.

Just as Mrs Thather was viewed in hindsight by some as a fascist so we have Mr Corbyn portrayed as Marxist. But here some will argue or be lost! But factually there is something called the Kondratieff cycle stating that events and economies thereof are cyclical in nature. On that premise: just as 40 odd years ago neoliberalism was ushered in with witless Mr Reagan and State sell-off Mr Gorbachev (which i then thought great!), so it is we need life-support socialism now, or at least a return to a more mixed economy.

Brexit referendum is not the single issue that one should focus on. Look! its in the name "general" election. You get my drift hopefully, and I DO go on and on in my blogs.

Think for yourself! Phone a smart friend. Don't watch or listen to media narratives.

All is for the best however you decide to vote, but remember you can't take it back. Like Thatcher neoliberalism unless you act now. Like climate change. Think Global Act Local (Marsha De Cordova great btw!)

Krishna, 6th Nov.'19
Local tennis coach + "FPM" activist nowadays

 

There are some interesting observations, and  some unwitting anecdotal mis-interpretations in this pertinent thread. Thanks @Denshort for starting the needed and tech-enabled debate, if comments are from Battersea residents. Thanks @Astolot for Gini Coefficient and for corrections about long-standing MP (what of great Alfred Dubs).

In my mind, or my pennys worth: it is an indisputable fact that the country needs Jeremy Corbyn "the Marxist" socialist antisemite friend-of-terrorist or whatever other smear the corporate right-wing press release as narratives for the "unwitting". I support Mr Corbyn and Labour Party machinery for the "Green Industrial Deal" and other people-driven pledges which are realistic yet ambitious, such as:

4-day working week,
scrap student tuition fees,
re-nationalisation of utilities
etc etc ad nausem

We are NOW in a period that has parralls with 1979 when the great late Mrs T. was ushered in - bless her! Then as now UK was at standstill from miners strikes tagged "Winter of Discontent". Fast forward today we have a democratic impasse in Parliament about the burning populist issue of the mileu: delivery of "Brexit" referendum. And we have climate change and China-emergence.

Just as Mrs Thather was viewed in hindsight by some as a fascist so we have Mr Corbyn portrayed as Marxist. But here some will argue or be lost! But factually there is something called the Kondratieff cycle stating that events and economies thereof are cyclical in nature. On that premise: just as 40 odd years ago neoliberalism was ushered in with witless Mr Reagan and State sell-off Mr Gorbachev (which i then thought great!), so it is we need life-support socialism now, or at least a return to a more mixed economy.

Brexit referendum is not the single issue that one should focus on. Look! its in the name "general" election. You get my drift hopefully, and I DO go on and on in my blogs.

Think for yourself! Phone a smart friend. Don't watch or listen to media narratives.

All is for the best however you decide to vote, but remember you can't take it back. Like Thatcher neoliberalism unless you act now. Like climate change. Think Global Act Local (Marsha De Cordova great btw!)

Krishna, 6th Nov.'19
Local tennis coach + "FPM" activist nowadays

 

There are some interesting observations, and  some unwitting anecdotal mis-interpretations in this pertinent thread. Thanks @Denshort for starting the needed and tech-enabled debate, if comments are from Battersea residents. Thanks @Astolot for Gini Coefficient and for corrections about long-standing MP (what of great Alfred Dubs).

In my mind, or my pennys worth: it is an indisputable fact that the country needs Jeremy Corbyn "the Marxist" socialist antisemite friend-of-terrorist or whatever other smear the corporate right-wing press release as narratives for the "unwitting". I support Mr Corbyn and Labour Party machinery for the "Green Industrial Deal" and other people-driven pledges which are realistic yet ambitious, such as:

4-day working week,
scrap student tuition fees,
re-nationalisation of utilities
etc etc ad nausem

We are NOW in a period that has parralls with 1979 when the great late Mrs T. was ushered in - bless her! Then as now UK was at standstill from miners strikes tagged "Winter of Discontent". Fast forward today we have a democratic impasse in Parliament about the burning populist issue of the mileu: delivery of "Brexit" referendum. And we have climate change and China-emergence.

Just as Mrs Thather was viewed in hindsight by some as a fascist so we have Mr Corbyn portrayed as Marxist. But here some will argue or be lost! But factually there is something called the Kondratieff cycle stating that events and economies thereof are cyclical in nature. On that premise: just as 40 odd years ago neoliberalism was ushered in with witless Mr Reagan and State sell-off Mr Gorbachev (which i then thought great!), so it is we need life-support socialism now, or at least a return to a more mixed economy.

Brexit referendum is not the single issue that one should focus on. Look! its in the name "general" election. You get my drift hopefully, and I DO go on and on in my blogs.

Think for yourself! Phone a smart friend. Don't watch or listen to media narratives.

All is for the best however you decide to vote, but remember you can't take it back. Like Thatcher neoliberalism unless you act now. Like climate change. Think Global Act Local (Marsha De Cordova great btw!)

Krishna, 6th Nov.'19
Local tennis coach + "FPM" activist nowadays

 

I’d vote Lib Dem too if I believed they could win in Battersea. But it would take around 25000 people to change their vote as well, which isn’t very likely.
My fear is it just splits the anti-Tory vote and puts a Tory in.

Plus are we 100% sure they’ve ruled out another Tory coalition?