by OLBC Group » Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:59 am
Hi
Bit of sideline advice here: we don't get involved in small stuff like this but happy to share our experiences.
If you are going to the bother of taking up the floor then definitely lay wet underfloor heatings.
We have fitted nothing but wet underfloor heating for the last 15 years to the extent that we rarely fit radiators except towel rails.
As others have, rightly said, porcelain tiles or natural stone are the best conductors of heat and hardwood floors are not so good - however, it can be made to work by changing the spacing of the pipes to be tighter together (so more loops to the room).
DO use a proper UFH company to design and fit the UFH - designing it isn't a 'builder' job
DO NOT use latex levelling compound anywhere near UFH. Latex (rubber) is an excellent insulator.
DO use a proper screeding company that can lay a level screed so you don't need the levelling compound.
DO make sure that the screed is reinforced with fibres
DO use a real tiler who won't put the tiles down on dabs (this only support the corners and the middle of the tiles and they break) but for this conversation it also creates an air gap and static air is a decent insulator! Make sure the tiles are laid in a continuous notched trowel bed of adhesive.
DO use tile adhesive with a good plasticiser in it so that as the screen expands and contracts without cracking the tiles.
DO lay a continuous layer of fibreglass mesh in the first layer of tile adhesive. Screed cracks over time and if there is no mesh the cracks propagate through to the tiles.
There is a wrinkle in this: UFH actually makes your EPC worse. EPC's have nothing to do with energy, money or carbon footprint savings or indeed logic or sanity. Contrary to that UFH is the best system to use with a heat pump. Go figure.
IRL UFH increases your boiler's efficiency as a condensing gas boilers becomes **more** efficient as the return temperature **reduces** and the condensing part of the process becomes more effective. Latent heat of evaporation of water is massive. As UFH works at a much lower flow temperatures, so there is an almost permanent bleed of cooler water into the return system, thus boosting efficiency.
Hope this is helpful.
Best of luck with the project.
Hi
Bit of sideline advice here: we don't get involved in small stuff like this but happy to share our experiences.
If you are going to the bother of taking up the floor then definitely lay wet underfloor heatings.
We have fitted nothing but wet underfloor heating for the last 15 years to the extent that we rarely fit radiators except towel rails.
As others have, rightly said, porcelain tiles or natural stone are the best conductors of heat and hardwood floors are not so good - however, it can be made to work by changing the spacing of the pipes to be tighter together (so more loops to the room).
DO use a proper UFH company to design and fit the UFH - designing it isn't a 'builder' job
DO NOT use latex levelling compound anywhere near UFH. Latex (rubber) is an excellent insulator.
DO use a proper screeding company that can lay a level screed so you don't need the levelling compound.
DO make sure that the screed is reinforced with fibres
DO use a real tiler who won't put the tiles down on dabs (this only support the corners and the middle of the tiles and they break) but for this conversation it also creates an air gap and static air is a decent insulator! Make sure the tiles are laid in a continuous notched trowel bed of adhesive.
DO use tile adhesive with a good plasticiser in it so that as the screen expands and contracts without cracking the tiles.
DO lay a continuous layer of fibreglass mesh in the first layer of tile adhesive. Screed cracks over time and if there is no mesh the cracks propagate through to the tiles.
There is a wrinkle in this: UFH actually makes your EPC worse. EPC's have nothing to do with energy, money or carbon footprint savings or indeed logic or sanity. Contrary to that UFH is the best system to use with a heat pump. Go figure.
IRL UFH increases your boiler's efficiency as a condensing gas boilers becomes **more** efficient as the return temperature **reduces** and the condensing part of the process becomes more effective. Latent heat of evaporation of water is massive. As UFH works at a much lower flow temperatures, so there is an almost permanent bleed of cooler water into the return system, thus boosting efficiency.
Hope this is helpful.
Best of luck with the project.