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Postby danwatkins100 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:00 am

Nappy Valley Mum,

Just to confirm that people can give their views on the Crossrail 2 proposal to either of the email addresses provided, ie crossrail2@tfl.gov.uk or crossrail2.safeguarding@dft.gsi.gov.uk . The information is being shared between the DfT and TfL teams.

And if people want to give a full response on the safeguarding process itself, the address for the consultation portal is:

http://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/crossrail2-consultation

Remember that the deadline is Wednesday!

Rgds,

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Postby rugby » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:32 am

Those that advocate putting the Trinity Fields shaft on the Springfield site:

Take care what you wish for:

Have you looked at the plans for the Springfield Park? This will potentially provide a lot of new facilities for residents and for sport.

I do not support using Trinity Fields as a building site, but neither is it clear that Springfield is a natural or beneficial alternative!

Springfield Community Sports Partnership
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2766759 ... 8/?fref=ts
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Postby dudette » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:04 pm

Nappy Valley Mum wrote: There is a wild, relatively unused, patch of common next to Burntwood lane or perhaps the open area between HM Prison and Trinity road which would even provide relatively easy access? Any of these options would have a much lower impact on the local community than the current proposal.
Noooooooooo. The "wild, relatively unused patch of common next to Burntwood Lane" is known as the Scope. I'm guessing you've not been there because it's the most lovely little patch of mature woodland, criss-crossed with paths and with all manner of birds - I regularly hear a woodpecker in there. It's like a little rural oasis - when you're in there you can hardly hear the traffic (especially in summer) and you feel like you're in the countryside. It would be an utter disaster to lose this space and it would take years for the trees to grow back to where they are now - assuming they could grow back as many would have to be permanently lost to allow access to the shaft. Please don't suggest this as an alternative. This is arguably the loveliest part of the common and is used regularly by dog walkers and anyone wanting a little piece of tranquility.
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Postby TLS » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:43 pm

Can someone post a link to anything from Crossrail which identifies the two 'proposed' sites (Trinity Fields and by Skylark/the playground) as specifically as is mentioned in this thread? We have had a look at the consultation documents published by Crossrail and can't find such specific sites mentioned. Thanks!
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Postby Goldhawk » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:46 pm

http://crossrail2.co.uk/planning-safeguard/

This is the webpage - you need to zoom in on the map and then you will see the areas marked out in blue
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Postby TLS » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:49 pm

Sorry, found it.
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Postby Honeybee » Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:02 pm

Absolutely, dudette, it would be a real shame to lose that particular patch - full of birds, squirrels and berries during berry picking season. I also don't think it's big enough for the proposed shaft. The more I think about this, the more difficult I think it is going to be to find a suitable place that doesn't cause disruption/loss of green space. Let's hope there are some genius planners out there...!
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Postby danwatkins100 » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:18 pm

Evening All,

I have good news on Crossrail 2!

I've received a letter from Daniel Moylan, a Crossrail Board member who is leading Crossrail 2 on behalf of the Mayor of London. He has heard the community's campaign loud and clear and confirmed that the position of the Wandsworth Common and Trinity Fields access shafts will be reconsidered.

You can read the letter at the following link:

http://www.danwatkins.org.uk/news/lette ... s-concerns


We have come a long way in the two weeks since the Public Meeting and this is a good result for us. It's still early days for the Crossrail 2 project, but now that we have secured a direct dialogue with the people running it, we have a great opportunity to make improvements.

Thanks to everyone who has made a response to the consultation - it has made an impact.

Rgds,

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Statutory interjection by Sport England

Postby rugby » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:21 am

Some of our actions have produced an interdict from the Statutory Consultee on all planning matters effecting sport: Sport England

Emma Hindley
London Transport Policy
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33 Horseferry Road
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28 January 2015
Dear Emma Hindley,
Crossrail 2: safeguarding directions - Consultation

I write in connection with the above named consultation. Please find herein Sport England’s formal comments for your consideration.
Introduction

Sport England has an established role within the planning system which includes providing advice and guidance on all relevant areas of national, regional and local policy as well as supporting local authorities in developing the evidence base for sport.

Sport England aims to ensure positive planning for sport, enabling the right facilities to be provided in the right places, based on robust and up-to-date assessments of need for all levels of sport and all sectors of the community. To achieve this our planning objectives are to seek to PROTECT sports facilities from loss as a result of redevelopment; to ENHANCE existing facilities through improving their quality, accessibility and management; and to PROVIDE new facilities that are fit for purpose to meet demands for participation now and in the future.

We work with the planning system to achieve these aims and objectives, seeking to ensure that they are reflected in local planning policies, and applied in development management.

Please see our website for more advice: http://www.sportengland.org/facilities- ... for-sport/

Specific Comments - Crossrail 2

In the context of the above and in considering the Crossrail 2 proposals, Sport England is keen to ensure that appropriate consideration is given to the potential impact or loss of any existing built sports facilities or playing field land. Sport England would welcome early discussions around any impacted facilities to ensure the needs of sport can be identified and appropriately safeguarded.

The current consultation relates to the “Safeguarding Direction” only, which is a process whereby local planning authorities will be required to consult TfL when they are considering planning applications within the area to be safeguarded. It is understood that the safeguarded area is not necessarily the identified land take for Crossrail 2. Notwithstanding that, the Sport England is aware and concerned that ‘Trinity Fields’ (also known as Sir Walter St John Sports Ground) is within the area of Safeguarding Limits and is also shown on the consultation plans as an Area of Surface Interest.
Trinity Fields is located as shown on the map extract below. Trinity Fields is a 3.2ha playing field and is a valued and much used playing field site.
Trinity Fields has two clubrooms two adult football pitches and two junior pitches which serve both football and rugby during autumn and winter seasons. There are two cricket squares used during the summer together with two cricket nets. Primary use of the facilities is by local schools in term time Monday to Friday and at weekends by a group of clubs collectively known as Trinity Sports Club which comprises, adult football, junior football and adult cricket. In terms of teams:
 Sinjuns Grammarians AFC comprises six teams of varying ability
 Balham Blazers Football Club comprising 12 teams for age group 9 to 18 playing
 Sinjuns Grammarians Cricket Club comprising 5 teams of varying ability playing in the Surrey Championship
In addition, the site hosts an annual football tournament for local primary schools.

The site is an important focus for local sport and therefore it will be important to understand at an early stage, the role that this site is intended to play in the delivery of Crossrail 2.

Please be aware that Sport England would oppose any loss of sports provision would encourage alternative sites to be considered for ground level infrastructure associated with Crossrail 2. Any temporary loss of facilities or temporary impact associated with the construction phase of Crossrail 2 will also need to fully understand at the earlier stage. Continuity of sports provision will require considerable consideration. Any post construction remediation will also need to be agreed up front.

As such, Sport England would welcome dialogue with TfL at the appropriate stage to further understand the proposals, the potential impact on Trinity Fields, whether any alternatives exist and appropriate mitigation.
We would invite TfL to suggest with some suitable meeting dates at the appropriate stage.

If you would like any further information or advice please contact the undersigned at the address below.

Yours sincerely
Planning Manager, Sport England
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Postby rugby » Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:19 pm

They have real legal power to get in the way, and they use it.
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Postby danwatkins100 » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:07 pm

I'm pleased to tell you that Michele Dix, Managing Director for Planning at TfL, has written to me acknowledging the 'helpful comments from Wandsworth Common' as part of the recent consultation that was undertaken and which so many of you responded too.

She has confirmed that her team will look at alternative route alignments that have been suggested, so as to move the shafts away from their current positions on the Common and Trinity Fields.

You can read the latest on the Crossrail 2 situation at:

http://www.danwatkins.org.uk/news/lette ... s-concerns

I suspect there will be some more significant progress to report next month.
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Postby actuallyadad » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:28 pm

This strikes me as very narrow minded "nimbyism". "Please find an alternative route" is an over- simplistic suggestion in this crowded city.

If there had been this attitude from the Victorians the houses "Between the Commons" wouldn't exist; the whole area was fields before it was nappy valley.

It's not a big deal if one of the many play grounds round here is affected. I am sure they will relocate it to a different part of the common. It's pretty old and needs updating anyway.The disruption will not be for that long.

We need big infrastructure projects in London and they should be encouraged to allow the city to continue to prosper.
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Postby gruffalo's dad » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:42 pm

mungomuffit: I don't see any inconsistency in what actuallyadad is saying. He'd like to get new/updated playgrounds/exercise equipment in Wandsworth parks. I agree with him - Merton's are in much better shape. That's more likely to happen in the case of temporary relocation of the Wandsworth Common playground than if it's not relocated.

I agree with actuallyadad on the nimbyism point.
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Postby actuallyadad » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:18 pm

Yes. I think that play ground could do with updating given the amount it gets used.

But even if it didn't need updating, I wouldn't mind it being relocated for Crossrail works, as I'm sure it would be.

I don't think I'm being inconsistent. In fact, pointing out my other post shows that, even though I use that playground often, I STILL feel that nimby behaviour shouldn't be allowed to impede important infrastructure projects.
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Postby rugby » Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:16 pm

actuallyadad

We are actuallyasportsclub and a significant user of Trinity Fields, on of about thirty sports organisations.

Trinity Fields is one of the most heavily used sports fields in the country (and therefore probably in the world)

The planning is at the stage before the route is set and then protected from further development. hence 'Safeguarding'

The nimbyism as you call it is simply large serious representative organisations wanting to ensure the authorities realise the impact of what they are doing at the earliest stage. This is precisely what TFL is asking for at this stage. The individual complaints are what might be more politely labelled as democracy in action! Surely forums such as this are places for people to express an opinion?
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