Non-invasive Down's syndrome diagnostics test privately

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Non-invasive Down's syndrome diagnostics test privately

Postby honeygranola » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:26 pm

Hi, does any one have any experience of this? Just had the dreaded call from the midwife that my NHS screening results came back as increased risk. My options are: do nothing or have the diagnostics tests on the NHS. These tests come with a 1% risk of miscarriage. She also mentioned, although not available on the NHS and also not available at that particular hospital, that there is a test available privately, which is based on blood samples, and doesnt have the same risk of miscarriage. She didnt have any further info about this. I am furiously googling but also thought I'd ask on here in case anyone has experience of this and can recommend something.
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Postby oab » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:35 pm

I think you mean the Harmony test?
Many places do it, for example the Fetal Medicine Centre on Harley St. It's about 500£ and yes, it's a blood test so totally non-invasive.
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Postby oab » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:42 pm

Worth adding that it won't give you an absolutely certain result, but something like 90% certainty.
At the FMC I think they recommend doing a nuchal scan at the same time (although you had one already), as *they say* their scans are more performant.
You can ask to have your appointment with Professor Nicolaides, who is a very well known fetal medicine consultant.
Good luck!
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Postby Bluebutterfly » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:13 pm

If you look at the Fetal Medicine Centre website it will give you all the information on the Harmony test.
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Postby NYE31 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:01 pm

If you have the harmony tests done & they come back with an increased risk, you still need to have the invasive tests to confirm.

I was also told that the results are sent away & it can be at least a couple of weeks before you get the results.
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Postby oab » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:08 pm

Indeed, for the Harmony test the blood test is done in the US, so it takes about 2 weeks to get a result.
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Postby MGMidget » Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:30 pm

You can also find out the sex of the baby with the Harmony test if that is of interest. If you request this at the time they take the blood they will include this request on the forms they send off to California. I don't think they can tell you later if you don't request it in advance of the testing.
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Postby Mills1234 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:26 pm

I had the harmony test done at around 30 weeks, as it had only just become available then. We were proceeding with a pregnancy that we had been told was virtually certainly Down's due to hypoplastic nasal bone and low pap-a. I had refused invasive testing to confirm as we weren't going to terminate either way, so it wasn't worth the risk for me. However, so many friends/family kept saying oh you never know, it was driving me a bit bonkers, so when we heard about this we had it done basically to shut everyone up as we were being told by St Thomas' we had a Down's baby. It takes about 10 days if I remember rightly for results. My understanding was that it can have a false positive 2 in 1000, so 2 in 1000 people will be told they have a Down's baby when they don't, and if they wanted to terminate in the event the baby had Down's could then have a CVS or amnio. But it had not shown false negatives, i.e. if it says you don't have Down's you can be pretty certain you don't.

It said we had a less than 10,000 chance of Down's and we have had a little girl that does not have Down's. As the previous poster said if you go to the Fetal Medicine Centre they actually did the European/UK approval studies. They insist on them doing a scan along side it. Our NHS scan did not include factors they considered at 12 weeks, when we went for a second opinion from Prof. Nicolaides before even knowing about the Harmony test. NHS was 1 in 49, FMC was 1 in 4 from scans at 12 weeks. Baby ultimately did not have Down's, and that was only confirmed by Harmony Test much later.

If you choose to see Nicolaides I warn you he has the most appalling bedside manner if you disagree with him, i.e. I did not want him to do a CVS, so he ranted about was that because I would rather have a disabled baby than no baby and after a bit of debate on that situation, he said we should have an amnio done at 32 weeks as even if it caused early labour it wouldn't be detrimental and we would still have the option to "see sense" and request an abortion at that stage if the results confirmed Down's. He is obviously an amazing man, but I wish I had been forewarned on his manner, which I have since heard is a common issue. There is no need to see him if you are having the Harmony test, but he is extraordinarily skilled at CVS and my understanding was the miscarriage risk was affected by the skill/experience of the person carrying it out. So if you choose to go down that route, it could be worth paying him, rather than getting a junior NHS trainee (as my sister in law did!).

Sorry for the essay, my heart goes out to you. It is not an easy time no matter what your thoughts are on the consequences of a Down's diagnosis and I wish you all the best. x
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Postby supermummy » Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:44 pm

Most people have heard of the Harmony test but it is worth asking about the Panorama test. I had this done last year. It is apparently even more accurate and also covers a few more issues than Harmony. I think it is basically an extension of the Harmony test. I went to the Birth Company, just upstairs from the FMC and just as good in my opinion ( having previously been to FMC). They will advise you on the difference between the two tests but as far as I recall it was a no brainer choosing Panorama. We also definitely waited less than two weeks.

https://www.thebirthcompany.co.uk

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Postby SW4Lancslass » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:37 pm

I second the post on the Panorama test done at The Birth Centre. Can be done from 9 weeks, is from memory 99% accurate and took about 8 days to come back .
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Postby SW4Lancslass » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:39 pm

Sorry I meant to say The Birth Company
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Postby honeygranola » Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:59 pm

Thank you all so much ladies. I could have sworn I posted yesterday but looks like it didn't work. Anyway, I went to the Fetal medicine centre today, had signed up for the harmony test but they did the nuchal scan again first and they saw it as really low risk (apparently they look at things the NHS don't look at) and they thought I didn't necessarily need the harmony test but was up to me if I still wanted it. At this point, we think we won't bother particularly as unlikely to change anything for us anyway, but husband said lets see how we feel over the next few days.
Thanks again for all your help and private messages, I call the nappy valley ladies my new best friends!
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Postby zeta5397 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:17 pm

Might be a bit late to this but if you decide to have non-invasive testing I would highly recommend the Antenatal Screening Service at Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine at Barts and The London School of Medicine. Their phone number is 0208 882 6293. They were fab and I had the results back in a couple of days. Best of luck!
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Postby RHS » Mon Mar 09, 2015 12:30 pm

There is a Wimbledon based clinic offering Harmony and Panorama tests.

http://www.alexander-house.co.uk
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