London Raw Milk Cooperative

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London Raw Milk Cooperative

Postby Sea Hibiscus » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:20 am

Hello everyone,

I have been drinking, and cooking with, raw milk for close to a year, and I have experienced the benefits of this natural product. Previously, I had to avoid dairy due to an intolerance I developed as a result of many years of consuming non organic, pasteurised milk. My gut suffered as a result, and I became unable to tolerate even a small glass of milk or a slice of cheese. I was of course devastated by this realisation; I loved dairy, especially cheese! However, for my health (particularly my gut), I decided that it was best to simply remove dairy from my diet. Instead, I drank alternative ‘milks’ such as rice and coconut. Though the latter was pleasant enough (and I love coconut products), they never could compare to cows’ milk, which I sorely missed.

After reading more about health and nutrition, I came across many articles about the benefits of consuming raw, organic, milk. I was intrigued by this, especially after reading claims of people with dairy intolerances, like myself, being able to drink milk and eat butter again. I searched online for a retailer of raw milk and I learnt that currently, it may only be sold directly by the farmer or by milk rounds(wo)men.

I am happy to write that I no longer have intolerances after eating dairy; I even make raw yoghurt and raw Kefiran (the milk fermented by Kefir) and my gut has improved due to the beneficial bacteria. A friend of mine who had been lactose intolerant for years also found that her problem vanished when she started drinking raw milk. There are many others with similar stories. I believe that it was the pasteurised milk (particularly from cows fed hormones and routinely given antibiotics, which I in turn would drink) that caused my intolerance because it removed the ‘good bacteria’ and replaced it with the bad.

If you are interested in learning more about raw milk and its benefits here are a couple of links: http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_ ... efits.html, http://www.realmilk.com/safety/fresh-un ... hole-milk/.
This is a link to information about Kefir: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kefir.

Currently, I buy raw milk weekly from a farm based in the country, and their milk and cream are delicious. However, as a result of the costs incurred by running a raw dairy farm, as well as the distribution of their products, their milk is quite expensive at £3 for 2 pints (they do not sell their milk in gallons, but I’m sure you can tell that it would be extremely expensive). While their milk is indeed lovely and creamy, their prices are not affordable for many, especially, if like my family, they drink/use a lot of milk each week.

I thought that there must be other farmers willing to sell their grass fed, organic, cow/sheep/goat raw milk (at at more affordable price), so I searched online for farms in London, and I was amazed and impressed to learn that there are 14 urban city farms. All of them have at least goats and sheep, while others also have cows. I think that with this number of farms in the capital, there would be some willing to sell their milk.

Running a farm in London is expensive, and much of the funding farms received in the past has been vastly cut; they are now largely reliant on the support of the local community and visitors in the form of donations and animal adoption/sponsorship. If they were to also sell their raw milk, this would be another source of revenue for them to help meet the costs of caring for their animals.

I am looking for people who currently, or would like to, drink raw milk and be able to buy it at an affordable price, here in London. I would like to start a ‘raw milk cooperative’, where as a group, we buy raw milk directly from a London farm. This would mean we handle the collection and distribution of the milk, leaving the farm with little to do other than provide us with fresh, raw milk.

I was given the inspiration for this after reading about a raw milk cooperative in America. This group order their milk from a local farm, and members take it in turns to collect it and then bring the milk to a central location (or a member’s home) where the others can pick up their weekly order. I think that this could work well in London, considering how many farms there are, and with the growing demand for raw milk.

If you are interested, would like to be part of this cooperative, or have any questions, please do send me a message.

Thank you for reading!
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Re: London Raw Milk Cooperative

Postby coolmum » Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:28 pm

Hi,

This is something that I am possibly interested in although have never tried raw milk. Is it much different to organic?
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Postby Sea Hibiscus » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:03 pm

coolmum wrote:Hi,

This is something that I am possibly interested in although have never tried raw milk. Is it much different to organic?
Hello :)
The taste of whole, raw milk is much fuller and creamier than whole organic pasteurised milk. Cream is naturally present in raw milk because it hasn't been homogenised. The taste can also vary depending on what the cows eat. Grass fed, open pasture cows will produce the best tasting milk and their cream is lovely and rich! There are some raw dairy farms that sell their milk at farmers' markets across London and they do offer potential customers some to taste. You definitely notice the difference in cooking. Porridge is much creamier and fuller. So basically, it's nicer than regular organic milk. Milk is more beneficial when cultured to make a probiotic such as yoghurt or Kefiran, which is what I mostly use it for.
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Postby karengsw9 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:24 am

It is not pasteurised. There have been deaths linked to its consumption in Australia. There is no evidence of any health benefits.
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Postby Sea Hibiscus » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:54 pm

This post is intended for those who would like to be part of this cooperative. Individuals are of course welcomed and encouraged to do their research on this subject (links were provided) instead of relying on hearsay or scaremongering based on lack of knowledge and experience.

If people wish to have a discussion about the safety of raw milk, bearing in mind the generations of people who drank it before us and the many cultures in the world that still do, please feel free to start a thread.

I know of people dying as a result of drinking contaminated water. I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to suggest water must be uniformally unsafe as a result.

Obviously, the cleanliness of the farm and quality of care the animals receive, as well as their diet, will effect the milk they produce. Pasteurised milk is essentially dead or chemically altered milk; all its good bacteria has been killed. If the cow is not grass fed/organically raised, but milked several times a day to the point that they are in constant pain, do not expect their milk to be any good. Pasteurisation and homogenising does not make the milk any better or in any way healthful; the only reason it tastes even remotely nice is because of all the sugars and goodness knows what else put in it, to make it edible. Don't forget the antibiotics and hormones the cows are given: you'll be consuming that too. Combined, this has a negative affect on the gut. While organic milk is better, than non organic chemically altered milk, it is still deficient in the good bacteria and is therefore hardly healthy: it's just less harmful. Many don't consider the environment the cows are raised in as being important: not all milk is the same.

What we are trying to do is support farmers who ethically care for and raise animals in the capital, as well as enjoy the benefits of raw, grass fed cows' milk.

Please do your own research, from multiple sources, and then make up your own mind.
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Postby karengsw9 » Mon Jun 29, 2015 10:22 pm

I was just raising awareness about what raw milk is. Guidance from the CDC is pretty clear on the potential dangers. People are able to make their own choices of course.
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Postby 3hotcrossbunnies » Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:47 am

I'm interested in this and intend to do a bit more background reading. Not a 'scientific' reason for supporting 'raw milk' but I was raised on a diary farm on non pasteurised milk - we would use the milk in the tank (straight from the cow) for drinking and cooking with before it was collected by the milk lorry. Why would we buy milk when we had gallons of it ;) :) Anyway myself and my siblings were very healthy growing up and almost never sick - we all still have strong stomachs as adults. Some of that was also probably due to spending most of our time running around outside in the garden/on the farm, getting pretty grubby and having plenty of fresh air. Oh and 'petting' farm animals and not having to be sanitised afterwards!! ;) :)
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Postby rooting4tooting » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:28 pm

I wish you good luck, although I for one would buy raw milk for cooking.
I have stayed on farms where the milk was raw. The smell was intense but the flavour quite usual.
My Mother in-law used to buy it and home pasturise it.
I think shelf life is key to safety with raw milk, so speed is of the essence ans that is why it is expensive.
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Postby supergirl » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:25 am

I could be interested but absolutely agree that speed is key and not breaking the cold chain. So there are some logistic issues to be solved. One of the delivery options would be to use smthg like Milk and More.

I used to spend most of my holidays at my grand mother's with my siblings and cousins. One of our job (you had to be 7 to do it so it was like smthg you were really looking forward to) was to go accross the road to get the milk and the eggs from the cow farm. The farmer would always give us a bit yo drink if you get there at the time or just after milking.
It was luck warm, creamy and delicious. Never found that taste again.

I for one wouldnt mind paying a fair price to the farmers. I am absolutely chocked at the price of milk these days. Farmers earn a pittance from these big supermarkets. I think we need to start looking a the true price of things. I buy Yeo Valley milk because i believe it is a big more fairly priced and they have a more sustainable approach to farming.
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Postby supergirl » Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:38 am

*shocked* of course
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