Advice for friend struggling to conceive

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Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby sky » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:25 pm

This is a rather delicate subject but a friend of mine has asked me to post on here for her. She is desperate to start a family and has struggled to conceive naturally. She has gone to her GP who has suggested she take some tests but it is taking rather longer than she had hoped. She is now considering going privately to look into the options for IVF but she has no idea where to start, how much if may cost and what she should look for when choosing a clinic as there are so many to choose from. If anyone has any advice at all on the subject (please PM me if you would rather not post a reply here) of what she could do or where she might go then she would be so grateful for any help. Thank you so much in advance.
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Re: Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby LP73 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:51 am

Please ask her to try and have acupuncture sessions with Serena Forbes who has clinics in Chelsea, the City and Battersea.
Serena is one of the few acupuncturists approved by hospitals to use for fertility issues.
I have met a few ladies who have had huge issues, unable to conceive and after seeing Serena have fallen pregnant naturally.

http://www.serenaforbes.com
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Postby szerma » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:18 am

If she is struggling to conceive naturally, it might be a good idea to have an initial private consultation at least to find out if there aren't any underlying problems.

The GP can do a blood test to confirm if she's ovulating (this is normally done on day 21), that's an easy and quick thing to do.

To go privately, I personally found the Concept Fertility Clinic "comprehensive couple investigation" very useful. Both of you do all the tests ahead of your appointment and during your appointment you can discuss all the results.

If there is no underlying problem then acupuncture / herbs may well be the way to go, but if she finds she has a particular medical problem, then it's better to address that first.

If she decides to go for IVF, there is no issue with transferring to another clinic at that point, and she can bring the results of all the tests already done at another clinic.

http://www.conceptfertility.co.uk/one-s ... valuation/

This costs £550. One thing this one stop consultation doesn't do is the fallopian tube patency test, I would request that as an extra for the initial set (don't know how much extra they charge just for that).

Best of luck to your friend, she can PM me if she wants (struggling to conceive number 2 although all tests showed up no problems)
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Re: Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby sky » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:09 am

Thank you so much for your help which is really useful. I will pass on this info and I know she will be really grateful. Huge thanks again.
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Postby NYE31 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:35 am

Try Ian at the Vitality Centre, he also works with the Lister.

http://www.vitality-centre.com/ian-pryt ... c-director
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Re: Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby szerma » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:45 am

I forgot to say the GP blood test should also do the usual things such as thyroid etc.

If she decides to go for IVF there are a million more tests to do, some private some can be done on NHS (like HIV / rubella immunity etc etc).
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Re: Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby Roo » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:09 am

Also following on from one of the above posts I would recommend Concept Fertility. They have a really useful free open morning which goes through all of the different treatment options, and tests which you can have done.

Also when I attended the open morning I got a discount on voucher for the AFC test I later booked.

www.conceptfertility.co.uk/open-day-events/
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Postby LP73 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:52 am

If your friend would like to see a fantastic consultant for specialist tests I can highly recommend Shazia Malik - details below. I would really try acupuncture in the meantime whilst tests are being done.
http://www.theportlandhospital.com/medi ... zia-malik/
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Postby this_is_cat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:02 pm

I would highly recommend the 'one stop fertility MOT' at Create.
They have branches in Wimbledon, Harley Street and the City

http://www.createhealth.org/ivf-treatme ... ility-mot/

She should also ask her doctor to organise the day 3 and day 21 blood tests to check she is ovulating. The GP can do this, and she doesn't need to be referred anywhere else.
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Postby Red1981 » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:39 pm

Hiya,

I'm 33 and been struggling to conceive our first for 16 months now. After a year we had all the tests done, all results normal apart from possible mild endometriosis on my side.

Here's my advice to your friend, she may have done some of this stuff already but I'll list just in case:

1. Buy 'Taking Charge of your Fertility' by Toni Weschler and 'It starts with the Egg' by Rebecca Fett. After reading countless books I've found these two the most useful of the lot.

2. Supplements, reduce booze and caffeine intake. Zita West one's are pretty good but expensive and you have to remember to take them 3 times a day which is a bit of a faff. I'm currently taking daily 1000iu Vitamin D, Pregnacare conception, Ubiquinol Q10 400 mg, 300mg Alpha Lipoic and Omega 3.

3. Make sure to have sex at the right time...basic stuff I know but you'll be surprised, we wasted at least four months doing it at completely the wrong time! As soon as there's egg white cervical mucus, start every other day usually from CD 8-10 onward, depends on what her cycle length is. If there's not much of that going on down there, I've noticed an improvement from drinking more water and grapefruit juice! There's also Conceive Plus and Pre Seed you can use. Start doing ovulation tests, I recommend the Pink Clear Blue digital one, don't bother with any of the others. The Purple Clear Blue digital dual ovulation test I've found to be temperamental, it's either never flashed (does this when it's meant to show 4 days of high fertility before ovulation) and gone straight to solid smiley, or it's just flashed constantly. The cheap strip tests are hard to read the two lines, and you end up wasting time squinting at it wondering "is that a line?", "is that second line dark enough?", "where are the bloody instructions for these things again" etc. The Clear Blue Digital Monitor often missed my LH spike and I ended up getting 10 days of solid high readings resulting in an exhausted husband. Depending on cycle length (27-30 days) start testing from day 10 onward around 10 am every day. As soon as you see the smiley face get busy that night, the following night and the night after, have a night off and then the following night for luck. This logic goes by the Sperm Meets Egg plan that a lot of women have had success with. If you've been doing it every other day for around 4 days or so before you get the first smiley on the Pink Clear Blue ovulation test, you should have covered all your bases well.

4. Start monitoring Basal Body Temperature. Up to her, but personally I got fed up with this pretty quickly. Literally I'd wake up at the same time every day by my alarm clock, faff around half awake trying to find the darn thing on the bedside table, haphazardly stick it in my mouth trying not to take my eye out in the process or knock a tooth, then be too afraid to move in case it changed the temperature some how, busting for the loo, wondering whether the temperature was going to be inaccurate because I wore socks in bed overnight, or the window was open, or I'd got up to go to the loo at 4 am...basically a constant daily reminder I was still infertile, no woman needs that first thing in the morning! If she decides to go ahead she'll need to buy a BBT thermometer, can get off amazon, set alarm the same time every morning and take temp without moving around - there are various apps that can help, you just need to put your temps in daily and they'll build a chart for you and put cross hairs where they think you ovulated (Kindara, Fertility Friend are both pretty good). Personally, I use Ovusense, which takes all the guess work out of it, its a sensor you wear overnight you plug it into a monitor the following morning and it tells you when your fertile period is, then after 2-3 cycles predicts ovulation up to a day in advance, it also creates a chart for you so you can see that biphasic change in temperature. On the chart you want to see a difference in temperature, lower temperatures from CD1 to 14/15/16 depending on when you ovulate and then a spike in temperatures which level out until your next cycle begins where your temp will drop again. There is no way of accurately predicting ovulation until after it happens, some women get a dip in temperature just before or on the day, then a sharp rise, you need 3 consecutive temp rises in a row and you should have ovulated 3 days before those rises. Don't bother with DuoFertility, tried it, it takes your external body temperature so can never be as accurate. Kindara are actually bringing out their own thermometer soon called 'Wink' that wakes you up with an alarm each morning, it'll take your temperature and then creates the chart for you, notifying best time etc.

5. Get some acupuncture, my cycles before were all over the place, spotting before hand etc. They are now every 28/29 days, usually ovulating on CD15. I'm currently seeing Zoe Lake at Neils Yard on Northcote Road and found she's great.

6. If she's been doing all of the above and still no luck, it's time to get some tests done. Don't bother with the NHS, been there, done that...took forever. If she's impatient and like me just wanted to know what the heck was going on, go privately. I went to the London Clinic and had AMH (checks how many eggs you have left), FSH (checks quality of eggs), Blood profile, Thyroid (checks your hormones), Progesterone (checks you ovulate), I also had a smear (check for cervical cancer) and a transvaginal scan (checks follicle count, ovaries, polys, lining etc) and HSG (checks your tubes aren't blocked). I saw Dr. Emma Kirk who in my opinion did the bare minimum, I had to follow up with her secretary to get the results every time which when you are paying a lot of money you expect to receive in a timely manner preferably have some contact with the doctor or a follow up, basically felt like a sausage in a big machine there. If I could step back in time and do it again, I would have gone straight to the Lister and had them all done there.

7. If all results are normal start considering IUI, or IVF. We went to the Lister clinic in March for a consultation and were advised a few cycles of IUI and if no luck then move onto IVF. IUI obviously has less of a success rate but is advised for couples like us where there's no obvious reason. It's also far less invasive than IVF. We're going to start IUI in September this year, I'm planning on taking the NK cells immune test before so that I can rule that out before starting otherwise waste of money getting anything done after if my immune system is the cause. I've seen both Dr Shabana Bora and Dr Raef Farris who are both great! Dr Farris is very funny and positive which is what you need at that time.

8. Never. give. up. I can account to it being a pretty lonely time, particularly when it feels like everyone and their bloody cat is falling pregnant around you with ease! Everywhere you look there's yet again another smug woman with a big bump walking by and you find yourself subconsciously yelling "SERIOUSLY, what the heck do I need to do!!" She's not alone! I've found subscribing to youtube channels of other couples struggling helpful, taking part in forums online and trying to be positive about it. It'll happen, everyone's journey is different that's my philosophy on it anyway.

Anyway hope this helps, if she has any other questions PM me on here and lots of luck. :)
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Re: Advice for friend struggling to conceive

Postby sky » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:12 pm

Wow, thank you all so much for your words of wisdom and suggestions of where she should go and what she should do. I will pass on all of your messages to my friend and will cross my fingers. Huge thanks again.
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Postby mamarobbie » Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:31 pm

Hi, I suffer from pcos and knew it would take a while to conceive so did the following things;
- was all over blood tests and knowing hormone levels, used the gp and Dr whitcroft women's health clinic in Guildford
- used 'the woman code' by alissa vitti. Amazing book - and also had some Skype sessions with their team
From this changed diet, quite specific way of eating for hormones plus added some blood sugar stabilising drugs and 3 months later hey presto pregnant!if only I'd found it sooner. It was a long road and can be lonely and tough going but the more information you have about your body the easier it becomes! Hope that helps x
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Postby lsfz88 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:23 pm

there is some good evidence on electroacupuncture and regulating periods and maybe helping with fertility. Contact BMAS - British Medical Acupuncture Society to see if they have any practitioners nearby.
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Postby mimibaby » Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:32 pm

Firstly, relax. Easier said than done but it is very important I've found. Secondly, work out precisely the length of your menstrual cycle. You have one day in that whole cycle that an egg can be fertilised. Sperms last for 3 days I believe but an egg once released only lives for a day. The gist of this is you can have sex 3 days prior to the release and you might still get pregnant but once the egg has been released you are on a 24 hour countdown, roughly. I bought fertility beads which are usually used as a means of natural contraception. After working out my menstrual cycle, I was able to work out exactly when it was likely that I would be ovulating and take advantage. I have had 3 pregnancies and 2 children at nearly 40 years old. This does not have to be instead of medical intervention but well worth trying. Oh don't forget to take the folic acid so your body is prepared. Another thing my husband and I heard about zinc being important for sperms, so we ate a lot of fish and seafood. It may or may not have helped.
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