Mums? What about dads?

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littlechicken
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Postby littlechicken » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:16 pm

Seriously? Are we not all aware that this site was created and being ran by a woman and very successfully? Does this fact not send a stronger message about gender stereotypes than the retro logo?
Am I the only feeling uncomfortable about a man telling a woman she is doing it wrong, she is not empowering mums in the area, she is actually contributing to sexism. Here Annabel, here is how to run your business. We can even chip in if you want. All for the sake of equality.
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Postby supergirl » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:21 pm

@MM: why are you so aggressive? The last one was just plain rude and not necessary. You are wasting space for a very interesting debate and I too LOVE this site. Despite the Paris attacks, we still live in a democraty with freedom of speech but really this aggressivity is making me very uncomfortable.

Yes Benaldo's first post was not great but he has apologised for it a lot so can you move on? I dont know who he is but i dislike when someone has made a mistake, has admitted it and apologised for it and it is still not enough for a minority of very aggressive people.
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Postby muminsw12 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:29 pm

I think it's worth pointing out that a number of the responses on here have been from women posting after specifically being asked by Annabel for our views.
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Postby littlechicken » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:33 pm

@muminsw12 that is a fair point and it does change the dynamic a lot. If for example this was initiated by Annabel who was thinking about rebranding the site and then went about asking everyone's opinions on it, it would be a very different matter.
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:18 pm

For what it's worth I'm with MM and Petal. After all I'm a bloke, have pushed my fair share of prams and like pink. Maybe I'm conflicted? But this post is so over.
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Re: Mums? What about dads?

Postby benaldo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:16 am

I'm tired of defending myself as if I've made a personal attack on Annabel, or that I've pointed out something incredibly rude, so this is me done with this. If - despite the majority of people commenting here supporting a change of colour and a rethink on the odd bit of wording - the site wants to stick to the same branding that supports the gender inequality that sees mums getting the short end of the stick in so many areas of life, then go for it! But gender inequality is important to me and many other people posting here, so I'm proud to be 'some kind of activist'.

I keep saying I really like the site's content and conversations, and I obviously have nothing at all against Annabel - I don't know her!
Annabel - I'm really sorry if you've read any of this and taken it personally. That has not at all been my intention.

The majority of people replying here have agreed with me, but a vocal and very negative minority want me and this point to just go away. Some of those people are reacting very sensitively and very personally when what I'm saying is clearly not personal. If you can't read or think beyond super-sensitive and defensive reactions then please don't lay into me with unfair and unpleasant comments, many of them, like it or not, sexist.

Of course I understand that those who run the site can do whatever they want with it, I just thought that as Annabel had commented earlier she might do so again. Me thinking that doesn't make me a bad person, which it feels like I'm being made out to be. Do please give me a break.

If you're hacked off that I'm posting here then just unsubscribe from notifications on this thread. And maybe stop commenting yourself.

And finally - I've been quoting people's own posts because I don't know another way to tag people so they can see I've taken the time to reply to what they've said in response to what I've said. I thought that was being polite. Hey ho.

Happy christmas everyone.
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Postby BFW » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:07 pm

Benaldo, can I just say that from my part your posts have been clear and polite and I think you apologised amply for the initial "Sexist" comment. I personally think that the last few rather aggressive posts against you were a little unnecessary.

I personally agree with you and would love to see a less "pink" website...

Others might not agree - but everyone is entitled to an opinion !

Peace to all - Its Christmas !! :lol:
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