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Postby LP73 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:09 pm

Could anyone tell me if they had the three separate injections rather than the combined MMR?

We will be having a vaccination but unsure of which to have especially after the reports in the Italian press this wee that there is a link to autism.

Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

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Re: MMR advice

Postby justalocal » Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:04 pm

The originator of the claims of MMR vaccine links with autism Andrew Wakefield has been totally discredited due to poor study design and tiny sample size.

A wealth of good science says otherwise. See Autism Speaks write up of (to my knowledge) the largest study of its kind:
https://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sc ... nated-kids
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Postby LP73 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:17 pm

Many thanks I've already read that article. Information released this week in Italy is different to that with a press ban on the reports in the USA.
I'm keen to hear of anyone who has gone down the route of having the injections done separately.
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Postby jg75 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:00 pm

Just out of interest, can you post more info about the Italian news LP73? There was a case in Italy maybe 3 or 4 years ago where the court ruled that the MMR vaccine caused autism but that in no way convinced me that there is a link (after all, it was just a conclusion reached by a judge, and I trust the numerous medical reports that have discredited Wakefield's findings more than a random district judge in Italy).

In answer to your question, I know people who had separate vaccines at the height of the autism scandal but there was a problem with one of them (I can't remember which one, sorry - mumps maybe)? In that it was difficult to source separately so many children were left unprotected against one of the diseases the MMR is targeted at. But there are loads of private clinics for whom the autism link is convenient to promote so I am sure they will be more helpful than me!
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Postby justalocal » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:01 pm

Apologies, I obviously didn't give you the information you are interested in. I'm sure others will.

To explain myself a little (I hope) - as a scientist I get frustrated by the role of the press in their dangerous misreporting and picking up of poor science. Case studies often make the news if they are bad news and don't give all the information about the case (autism is likely caused my a number of genetic and environmental factors).

But as a parent obviously I understand concerns! Oh how I long for there to be nothing to worry about as a parent! I'd be interested in knowing about the recent italian research. Too late for my MMR-ed daughter, but just out of interest.
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Postby justalocal » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:02 pm

And in complete agreement with jg75 ;-)
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Postby LP73 » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:18 pm

Thank you ladies - I've found a post written in English which hopefully will be useful.
I have spoken to Dr friends who both have different opinions which confuses me even more. I will definitely vaccinate but will do more research.
One suggestion has been to delay for a few months, many do apparently??

http://collectivelyconscious.net/articl ... se-autism/

I would be interested to hear your thoughts on the article.

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Postby tstar » Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:34 am

Dear LP73, Good morning.

Everyone should have a choice of what drugs to take, and what is deemed best for their young/helpless children. In my opinion, the connection between taking the MMR by a healthy child and the development of autism cannot be ignored. This very issue is very close to home for me, affecting a child once robust and active, and soon turns as they reach 4th birthday - it is disheartening, and generally the experience of most parents with children now having autism.

I can only think of another case in the 50's/60's - Thalidomide, taken by pregnant mothers, with complaints initially ignored or suppressed.

I for one now take the single jabs, at intervals, as is much safer in my opinion and the child is not loaded with so much vaccines, at once. As a parent we should be able to have that choice.

There is so much information out there, but see the below information;

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/30-sci ... nd-autism/

Best wishes,

Tina.
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Postby LP73 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:35 pm

Thank you Tina that makes very interesting reading.

Do you know where the single injections can be done at? Can I get these done at my GP surgery or do I have to go private?
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Postby LP73 » Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:36 pm

Thank you Tina that makes very interesting reading.

Do you know where the single injections can be done at? Can I get these done at my GP surgery or do I have to go private?
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Postby tstar » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:27 pm

I do not think GP's offer single jabs, perhaps some do. I am sure there are several around, however, I use Same Day Doctors. 14 Wimpole Street, just off Oxford Circus, or walking distance from Bond Street. It is also important to have a consultation first, or speak with the doctors you are already familiar with.

I have done the single, and booster prior to both my kids starting school.

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Postby Chucka » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:57 am

We would also like to know where we can get separate injections. Or pressure the government to provide the actual mmr vaccine that was cleared in the tests:


No MMR-autism link? Not so fast

A NEW STUDY making the rounds claims to definitively disprove the long-rumoured link between the Measles, Mumps and Rubella (MMR) shot and rising rates of autism. But according to a prominent pro-life vaccine researcher, the study only looked at one MMR vaccine - an ethically-sourced Japanese product that contains none of the human DNA fragments found in more common MMR vaccines produced from aborted foetal cell lines - and doesn't apply to the MMR available in the United States.

'What we have found is that across continents, and across decades, change points in autism disorder (not considering autism spectrum but only autism disorder) are clearly associated with the introduction of vaccines produced using human fetal cell lines.'

'The MMR all the news are talking about is from Japan and was made in animals, not aborted fetal cells. Therefore, we would not expect that study to show any link between animal based MMR and autism,' explained Dr. Theresa Deisher, a Seattle-based genetic research scientist. 'We only see a link between aborted fetal manufactured vaccines and autism.'
Deisher previously worked as a researcher for Genentech, Repligen, ZymoGenetics, Immunex, and Amgen before her pro-life convictions drove her to found AVM Biotechnology and Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute in order to provide ethical alternatives to so-called 'Big Pharma.'

The bulk of Dr. Deisher's research has been aimed at trying to untangle the web of anecdotes and rumors surrounding the MMR, which has been at the centre of controversy ever since scientist Andrew Wakefield published a 1998 study linking the vaccine to rising rates of autism, pervasive developmental disorder, and other brain dysfunctions. Wakefield's study has been widely criticized by the mainstream medical community, but according to Deisher, other studies and governmental data actually back up his assertion that some MMR shots may be causing autistic symptoms in children.
Deisher's own review of available literature on the MMR-autism link has consistently showed that results depend entirely on the source of the MMR shot being studied.

Testifying before Congress in 2011, Deisher told lawmakers that governments around the world have identified clear jumps or 'change points' in the rate of autism diagnoses over the past twenty years, and in almost every case, the jump coincided with a change in the MMR vaccine from animal-based production to human foetal cell line production during the year the new wave of autistic children were born.

'What we have found is that across continents, and across decades, change points in autism disorder (not considering autism spectrum but only autism disorder) are clearly associated with the introduction of vaccines produced using human foetal cell lines,' Deisher said. 'Each time we inject our children with one of these vaccines, we are also injecting them with residual foetal human DNA.'

FDA scientists have speculated that residual human DNA in vaccines could trigger cancer, autoimmune diseases, and disruption of the recipient's genome. But in the absence of clear-cut peer-reviewed research on the topic, manufacturers continue to use aborted human cell lines, mostly because it's cheaper and faster than developing vaccines from scratch in test tubes.

It is Deisher's assertion that this residual human DNA, not the MMR itself, is the likely cause of rising autism rates. And she says the study making news this week - a meta-analysis of 67 previous studies on vaccine safety performed by the RAND Corporation and published in the Journal of Pediatrics - actually reinforces her point.

'Only one of the studies included in their meta-analysis focused on the link between MMR and autism, and that was a study from Japan,' Deisher told LifeSiteNews. 'It was published in 2012 by an author named Uno, and in that study in Japan, the only MMR available was an animal-manufactured MMR. So what that paper showed is that if you immunize children with an animal-based MMR, there's no increased risk of autism.'

In the United States, there are more than ten vaccines produced from aborted fetal cell lines. (A complete list can be found here(PDF).) Many have ethical, potentially safer alternatives, but patients often must ask their doctors to special order them. However, in the case of the MMR, the Hepatitis A shot, and the Varicella (Chicken Pox) vaccine, there are no ethically derived alternatives. Merck, the manufacturer of the sole MMR available in the U.S., 'has fought to keep [alternatives] out,' Deisher toldLifeSiteNews. 'There are many things in play here. One is economics.'

It's not just about competition - Merck previously offered two separate vaccines for measles and mumps that allowed patients to avoid the problematic rubella portion of the MMR, which was grown in a fetal cell line. But Merck took those products off the market because the MMR is far cheaper to produce. 'The most expensive part of manufacturing a vaccine is not making the virus that goes into the vaccine,' said Deisher, 'it's vialing it.' In other words, putting three or more vaccines into a single shot saves the company money on packaging, boosting its bottom line.

Deisher said that if Merck wanted to offer an alternative to parents who object to the current MMR on ethical or safety-related grounds, it could easily 'in-license' the Japanese version of the shot. 'That's something they choose not to do, but it's certainly not out of their reach,' she said. She suggested that parents wanting a non-fetal-cell-line-based option for the MMR write to Merck and show the company there is a strong demand for it.

Deisher also suggested that parents educate themselves on the various vaccines on the U.S. schedule, and make sure they are aware of ethical alternatives to popular fetal-derived shots. (A chart providing information about both can be found here (PDF).) 'Most doctors will work with parents to get the alternatives,' she said.

Deisher understands that many parents will remain conflicted about whether to give the MMR, particularly if not giving the shot may put the child at risk of serious illness. For those parents, said Deisher, it's important to carefully weigh all the risks and ethical considerations before making a decision. She noted that the Catholic Church says that in cases where there is a grave risk to the child's health if the vaccine is not given, and there is no ethical alternative available, parents may choose to vaccinate as long as they make their objection to the use of human fetal cell lines clear to their physician and work to bring ethical alternatives to market. She also noted that there is some evidence that waiting until later to give the shot - say, just before entry to school - is associated with a lower risk of developing autism.

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Postby Chucka » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:09 am

Thank you to the person who suggested the doctors in Wimpole street. I will email them and post on here if any success!
http://samedaydoctor.org/contact-us/
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Postby Chucka » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:26 am

here is reply from samedaydoctor, wimpole street


We do offer single Measles jab which is £120 per dose (two doses needed or immunity test) or Measles and Rubella combined is £150 (two doses needed or immunity test).



We administrate baby jabs every Wednesday, Friday or three Saturdays in the month.



Since you would be a first time patient I would need to take a full pre-payment upon booking which is not refundable but you can always reschedule if the child is not felling well.



Kind Regards




Katia Simic

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London W1G 9SX

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Postby evainlondon » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:15 pm

You can also try: http://www.childrensimmunisation.com/ or
http://www.babyjabs.co.uk/vaccines.html

Good luck - in my opinon it makes sense to vaccinate separately, as nature would not have us catch more than one serious infectious disease at a time...
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