How many former Tory voters in Battersea or Merton will be voting differently this time? Post Reply

[Denwand]

If Corbyn became PM it would be a disaster for the whole Country.

Totally agree!

As "The Economist" sums it up...

"The shock would surely be great. Within two years, Britain would have lurched from having a market-friendly government that was in the EU to having a left-wing government that was outside it. The odds are still against this happening. But if it does, Britain’s image in the world will have changed completely. "

[storm35]

The Economist is not backing Theresa May either saying both leaders have turned their backs on a liberal country and are pulling up the drawbridge. It is backing the Lib Dems. This thead is going down to the wire hey!

[Denwand]

I think you'll find that's the editorial position.

That extract about the danger of a Corbyn victory was from The Economist's Philip Coggan writing as "Buttonwood" here;

http://www.economist.com/blogs/buttonwo ... ?journey=d

Also after Tim Farron self-destructed on the Andrew Neil interview The Economist clarified it's position

"The Lib Dems got their first cautious endorsement of the election campaign on Thursday from the Economist, though the magazine said the party was “going nowhere”this year and said its endorsement was a “down-payment for the future”.

See here;

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... referendum

Good old Timmy!

[ukrailblog]

Some specific information for Wimbledon:

The law practice of Wimbledon Labour candidate Imran Uddin has been seized by the Solicitors Regulation Authority because "there is reason to suspect dishonesty".

http://www.wimbledonguardian.co.uk/news ... ishonesty/

Note that this is the Solicitors Regulation Authority (the official regulator) and they have closed the firm and got another firm to intervene for customers. Mr Uddin is appealing the decision.

Outcome details
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This outcome was reached by SRA decision.
Decision details
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Decision to intervene into Mr Uddin's practice at Crescent Law.
Reasons/basis
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* There is reason to suspect dishonesty on the part of Mr Uddin in connection with his practice as a solicitor - paragraph 1(1)(a)(i) Schedule 1, Part I, Solicitors Act 1974 (as amended);
* It is necessary to exercise the powers of intervention to protect the interests of clients (or former or potential clients) of Mr Uddin practising as Crescent Law - paragraph 1(1)(m) Schedule 1, Part I, Solicitors Act 1974 (as amended).

http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/solicit ... 67.article

If you were thinking of voting Labour in Wimbledon tomorrow, I'd strongly advise reconsidering (with the Lib Dems being the obvious alternative for most Labour voters in the area).

[GuyD73]

Well, given I started this post, it's only fitting that I comment further close to its conclusion.
Firstly to the people who have erroneously accused me of being a lefty plant or somehow wishing my intentions to appear 'innocent', I was 'curious' because I do not want either Brexit or any more of this hideous government, so was keen to canvas my neighbours to inform me of how best to achieve that outcome.I voted Tory in 2010 and 2015 but will be voting labour for the first time today, here's why...

I've been appalled by how JC has timidly followed TM's lead on Article 50 etc, but appreciate he was in a difficult position re. core leave constituencies in the north, however, I notice he wouldn't be drawn on the 'brexit at any cost' question, leaving a door open. If, when the 2 years are up and 2.5m newly enfranchised voters come of age and 1.5m old (mostly leave) voters have died, there may be a very strong argument for saying the 'will of the people has changed'. If there were sustained pressure for a vote on the deal (not another EUref) then I think Labour would see the democratic merit in that. Kier Starmer already said they'd only vote for the 'deal', if it delivered the 'exact same benefits', which it can't possibly. What I am hoping for is a hung parliament and an eventual coalition of Lab/Lib/Green. In the same way that LDs mitigated against the worst excesses of the Tories (tuition fees aside), so they will do the same with the more extreme Corbyn ideology. I have supported the independent in my Battersea constituency Chris Coghlan, because I think he's a decent, capable, principled guy and he'll take tory votes but I'm afraid he gave himself too much to do in too little time. Likewise I'm entirely with the Lib dems on giving people a vote on the Brexit deal but I can't see them adding large numbers to the 2k votes they got last time. I will be voting Labour because it's the best chance of unseating Jane Ellison. It's a bit weird hoping for a hung parliament but it's what best serves my agenda. I hope those of you who passionately believe that Brexit is an act of monumental self-harm which will have a negative impact for much of our children's lives, will grasp the nettle and (hold your nose if you have to) vote labour. I pray some of you willput aside party affiliation and vote tactically like me to avoid the catastrophe that is Brexit and promote a more equal society. PS. Thanks for all your contributions btw (well, the sensible ones, the rants, not so much!)

[Denwand]

Can't believe anyone would post this as intelligent debate;



Shows up what they really were all along!

[GuyD73]

Was it Theresa May's words, or perhaps just the Daily Mail's...? Not big on humour are you Denwand, you sad, angry little man - I do hope things look up for you

[Denwand]

Well thank you ... I think the "Sad Angry Little Man" is actually yourself and you know it - furious at Brexit and full of impotent rage that nobody is interested in making this a "Brexit Election

As I say nothing is more satisfying than being shot at with no result!

Here's a little hint...

I'm not a man for a start!

(Your perception of life,people and politics is truly astounding!)

Still I forgive you because I don't think you're going to have a good night tonight,

Good luck and don't let Brexit-Hatred consume you.Time to get on with your life..seriously.

Goodbye on this thread and good luck!

[GuyD73]

I really don't care what you are Denwand, have you noticed that the consensus on this forum is very, very clearly that you're considered an unhinged loon of whatever gender? Must be nice to be accorded such respect from your neighbours eh?

I'll just leave that there

[parsleysong]

Guy, it doesn't matter what the consensus is on this forum because the few people dominating this thread do not reflect the UK. I find it really unbelievable Guy that you expect me to believe that you voted for 1. David Cameron over Gordon Brown and then 2. David Cameron over Ed Milliband, but now you are voting for 3. Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott (!!!) if she's still alive, over Theresa May. I find it incredible if that's true (and very fishy - sorry for the pun).

I wish you wouldn't be so pessimistic Guy about your girls' future. You and your family will do better outside the EU if you plan any future for yourself and them in the fishing industry. Not wanting to open another can of worms (sorry, only noticed that pun once I'd written it, eek) but you must be one of only a handful of Brits whose income relies on fishing that is so pro-EU.

Anyway, take care and good luck

[GuyD73]

Well well, I guess last night's result handily answers my question. It appears that fairly large numbers of former tory voters voted tactically for Corbyn and this is born out by chats with some of my neighbours. Well done to Chris Coghlan for taking 1200 tory votes off the table too.
I'm a bit gutted that the LDs couldn't take Wimbledon and I'm furious with Labour for not having the sense to stand down in Richmond Park. Goldsmith has them to thank for his 45 vote win.
Anyway, absolutely delighted that Jane Ellison lost her seat for putting career and party before her country or constituents.
Parsley Song, you might find it hard to believe but it's true and it seems there are many others like me who voted tactically because of Brexit.
My prediction now - we'll have another GE in a few months time. Labour will wise up and think tactically, win more seats and then we'll get a Lab/Lib/Green/SNP coalition and Brexit may never happen, hurrah!
I'm off to the pub to celebrate our Labour gain.

[parsleysong]

yer thanks a heap Guy, you've just helped create even more uncertainty than we had yesterday. Just what we need right now! Brilliant result .

[windmill26]

"My prediction now - we'll have another GE in a few months time. Labour will wise up and think tactically, win more seats and then we'll get a Lab/Lib/Green/SNP coalition and Brexit may never happen, hurrah!
I'm off to the pub to celebrate our Labour gain."
Fingers crossed!

[papinian]

After Denwand's many (false) claims regarding Corbyn being an IRA sympathiser, we now see Theresa May doing a deal with DUP MPs, many of whom have a background in loyalist terrorism. Indeed one of them is the daughter of a convicted loyalist terrorist:
http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/10/0 ... nks-278292

[cuqui03]

Let's all get real there is no stopping Brexit. The article is triggered, is not a joke or something you can change your mind just like that. A party does not decide this, remeber there was a referendum and as a nation, as much as I don't like it, people voted for that. What would it say for democracy if that referendum was just ignored? Besides, Labour never said that in their manifesto.
The great thing is that with the pound on the floor we're suddenly more competitive