NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

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Re: NHS hospitals allow elective c-sections?

Postby Mumbly » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:56 am

AbbevilleMummy wrote:Everyone is entitled to an elective c section on the nhs.....

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/caesarean- ... ction.aspx
Yes this is true but NICE guidelines are just that - guidelines. Hospitals are able to opt out if they choose. The main reason c and w is saying no to cs for women without medical reason or extreme fear is because they have one of the highest rates in the country. They need to try and bring them down and this is one way to do it.
But of course you can go to another NHS hospital.
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Postby LP73 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:26 am

All hospitals must allow a choice. Whilst C&W discourage they cannot stop you requesting and having one.
They do have a private wing which will take priority as to where their top guys and girls are but there should be further options to allow your wish to go forward.
Rather than argue the case with them perhaps it's best to go to another hospital where they will be more accommodating.
If it's any consolation the tops guys at C&W do many c sections and actually don't think that ladies should be pushed towards a vb if it's something they don't want.
In South America 95% of births are now c sections ..... food for thought :-)
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Postby BG5000 » Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:40 pm

C&W do allow elective c-sections - I am just going through the process for my second child at that hospital now. Every hospital does - they can just make it very difficult for you.

The NICE guidelines state that a woman should be given an elective C-section if she wants one and that a woman should be treated respectfully as regards her choices. A hospital can 'offer' counselling sessions etc if they think for example you want one out of a misguided fear of giving birth (the wording of the NICE guidelines leads me to believe you could refuse to go though). If a specific consultant won't give you a c-section, they have a duty to refer you to a consultant that will.

If you are asking for a C-section, doctors will take you more seriously if you are informed and have done your research. Read the NICE quidelines on C-sections. Read about the process doctors are to follow (a midwife cannot sign you off for a C-section so book an appointment with a consultant). Read about the different risk profiles of vaginal birth vs C-section that are in the appendices to the relevant NICE guidelines (and tell them that you have done so). The two procedures have different risk profiles but many doctors will tell you that given medical advances with surgery they carry about the same level of risk.

NICE guidelines: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg132/ ... troduction

This is a great article (if a bit old) about C-sections vs natural birth: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/re ... /23/health

If you have a reason why you want an elective C-section, prepare yourself to explain it well. I switched to an elective c-scetion at about 32 weeks with my first pregnancy, because my mum suffered terribly with vaginal prolapse. As did my dad's sisters. There is a hereditary element to this - so if your mum or blood other relatives have suffered from this - you are more likely to. Queen Charlottes hospital doesn't think that this is a valid reason for having a C-section - but this doesn't matter. There is a case - Montgomery v Lanarkshire County Counsel that says it is the patients evaluation of the risk - not the doctors that is relevant. So given that a vaginal birth does increase your risk of vaginal prolapse later in life as against a c-section - it doesn't matter if the doctors think this isn't a good reason - it is the patients evaluation of the risk that matters at law.

There are also a number of studies that link a woman's feeling of control over the birth process to her likelihood of suffering from PND. This is important - and a valid argument that you need to feel that your choices are respected.


Montgomery v Lanarkshire County Counsel commentary:
http://www.39essex.com/cop_cases/montgo ... lth-board/ (read what Lady Hale says)

http://www.farrarsbuilding.co.uk/montgo ... 5-uksc-11/ (this case is about informed consent but important point is that patient's can determine the risks that they are prepared to take and doctors value judgements about C-sections shouldn't interfere).
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Postby sld » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:08 pm

I've had 2 C-secs: 1 EMCS and 1 ELCS, both at C&W. Second time around, I had two chats with the VBAC midwife before deciding to go with ELCS. She wasn't pushy at all, in fact was gently supportive in helping me explore why I wanted to go one way or the other (I was caught up between wanting a "normal" birth second time around, and the fear of not being in control with the onset of labour; above all I wanted to avoid another EMCS).

WRT recovery, I was one of the "lucky" ones. Was walking (slowly and with help) within 24 hours first time around and within 6 hours second time. No issues with the wound, no complications.

Everyone who dealt with me both times at C&W were fantastic. I certainly didn't feel pressured to go down the VBAC route or to have to "stand my ground" in any way.
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Postby Nadia11 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:23 am

I want to have elective c section without any medical reason pls help me I am 35 week pregnant and i am with whips cross hospital .
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Postby PreggoPropaganda » Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:02 pm

There’s so much propaganda about c-sections it’s hard to find objective and balanced arguments online. Even RCOG’s (Royal College of Obs and Gynae) pamphlet on elective sections lists only the pros of vaginal and cons of sections.
The reality is all birth options are difficult. Childbirth has been one of the biggest natural killers of women throughout all of history and is only safer now in the west because of medical intervention.
Sections are serious operations, but 1 in 6 women have an emergency section anyway, after a failed (and normally physically and emotionally tiring labour) so not choosing a section doesn’t mean you won’t get one anyway.
When I had my elective section in 2017 I did a tonne of research. I posted it here: https://influenceofbooks.blogspot(dot)com/2016/12/push-back-by-amy-tuteur-and-me.html?m=1 and here: https://ontothemothership.wordpress(dot)com/2017/03/28/what-is-natural-anyway-c-sections-vs-vaginal-labour/. My midwife was happy I knew the risks of sections (along with the risks of vaginal) and didn’t argue with my choice. Though I did get treated like the anti-Christ by most of the other midwives, so prepare for the cold shoulder!
My recovery hurt a lot (I learned the hard way that strong abs are the enemy of sections) but three years on I’m so grateful for the calm and controlled birth experience I enjoyed. I’m having my second elective section later this year.
Good luck with your choice and stay strong. Nothing evokes the strong responses from everyone (parent or not) as much as birth and parenting.
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Postby csectionmum » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:13 pm

There are a lot of really helpful responses on this post.

My understanding is that you cannot be denied an elective c-section by the NHS as looked into this when I had my first child. Was absolutely terrified of delivering vaginally and the hospital refused so contacted a birth rights charity that advised that it is possible but you may be required to go for counselling etc in advance.

At around 7 mths pregnant, I changed my mind and thought I’d go for a vaginal delivery. My child ended up being so big he was taken out early to avoid delivery risks to us both (10lbs13oz at 39 weeks to the day!).

My physical recovery was much much slower than the other 7 women who had vaginal deliveries in the NCT group I was in. C-section is major abdominal surgery leaving you with 6 layers of stitches to recover from. Would definitely not recommend it unless you have family nearby or can afford help.

We had our kids quite close together and can also say that given the state of my abdominal tissue a friend who was working in obs said that as I hadn’t laboured opting for a vaginal delivery for the second child would likely result in an emergency section. I discussed this with my consultant and they agreed. The second delivery took nearly an hour of surgery as they could not get the stitches to take. It was not a great experience. The healing was slow and difficult, I couldn’t lift or play with my toddler and I ended up in physio 6 months post delivery as had continued pain in my abdomen and legs.

Really not trying to terrify you with a negative story but just want to illustrate that c-section is a major surgery. People’s responses when you tell them tend to be ‘lucky you’ as there is a serious misconception about the seriousness of it. Having c-sections can limit the amount of children you can safely have too, so if you are considering a larger family it may not be the best option for you.

My advice would be to try and keep an open mind, go for what you feel would be best for you but try and not be too wedded to a particular birth plan. Ask people for positive birth stories, there are many and come from all types of delivery but people often don’t want to tell them for fear of being insensitive.

Wishing you a peaceful pregnancy, calm delivery and healthy baby xxx
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