Woman suffers six puncture wounds as she is mauled by fox while sleeping in bed at her London home Post Reply

[sixfootredhead]

My old friend from our days at Cheltenham Ladies once said “Foxhunting = Rentokil on a horse”.

I have to say that I was very sad when I had to hang up my red jacket for the last time. A lot of countryside traditions and jobs (including my late Husband’s) depended upon ‘the hunt’ in our local area. It was never the same again.

Redhead 1.8m ... please don’t be so impolite. Banter like that would be banned from Cheltenham Ladies’ debating society.

‘A lot of countryside traditions and jobs....depended upon the ‘the hunt’.... is about as good a justification as saying a lot of traditions and jobs depended on slavery as an industry. Seriously - are you attempting to justify a cruel/immoral act on the basis of tradition?!

Although I can assure you that I would at no time ever seek or have sought entry to Cheltenham Ladies’ Debating Society, I would have no problem debating this issue with anyone who thinks it’s ok to take another creature’s life on the basis of sport or tradition (or indeed any other reason - perhaps other than survival in a life or death scenario) and thankfully the majority of people agree with me (at least on the fox hunting part).

Have a great day.

[Star]

I love foxes and think they are gorgeous creatures, although the blood curdling screeches that occasionally wake me up are not so nice. Fox hunting is hideous and not something I could ever accept no matter how traditional it is, just like bull fighting and FGM. Some traditions just have no place in civillized society.

About urban foxes, the problem is simply exposed rubbish bags. I note Glenburnie rd in Tooting Bec on the junction with Trinity rd has many new flats that used to be shops. I'm not pleased that these developments are approved by the council with no space for bins. Rubbish bags are placed on the narrow pavement making it hellish for everyone especially disabled people and those with buggies. Of course we are going to have too many foxes who live off the plentiful rubbish and are getting bolder around humans and potentially dangerous.

[sloaney donkey]

Observation:- many medicines we rely upon to keep us alive were tested on animals. At a terrible pain to the animals.

Observation:- being slaughtered is a terrible process, no matter how quick and even if all the CO2 is diverted from brewers to slaughterhouses. And most of us eat meat.

Observation:- many nappy valley people go pheasant shooting in 'the season' (anyone got 'half a gun'?). Yes, I saw the jones getting into the landrover clean on Friday, and dirty on Sunday !

Observation:- bullfighting is allowed in Spain and the bulls lead the life of Riley before going into 'the ring'. And the matadors are worshipped as heroes.

Just observations.

Because we draw the line at foxhunting, so the above is all OK.

[sixfootredhead]

Observation:- many medicines we rely upon to keep us alive were tested on animals. At a terrible pain to the animals.

Observation:- being slaughtered is a terrible process, no matter how quick and even if all the CO2 is diverted from brewers to slaughterhouses. And most of us eat meat.

Observation:- many nappy valley people go pheasant shooting in 'the season' (anyone got 'half a gun'?). Yes, I saw the jones getting into the landrover clean on Friday, and dirty on Sunday !

Observation:- bullfighting is allowed in Spain and the bulls lead the life of Riley before going into 'the ring'. And the matadors are worshipped as heroes.

Just observations.

Because we draw the line at foxhunting, so the above is all OK.

None of it is ok. Certainly not to me. I don’t worship anyone who goes shooting or sticking pointy things in bulls. It’s absolute cowardice and arrogance - two character flaws not qualities.

Hence why personally I exclude and reject all exploitation and use of animals in so far as it is possible (obviously medicines are more difficult but I source vegan alternatives where they exist).

It’s perfectly possible to live on this earth and have a philosophy of doing the least harm. Doesn’t make me perfect so I’m not on a high horse. Maybe I step on an ant inadvertently or buy a toy for my kids which has been packaged by a 9 year old in Cambodia but I do my best and I certainly don’t need to promote the extermination of foxes in because they’re a nuisance.

Happy to debate his ad nauseum but (a) I think we’re going slightly off topic and (b) I’m not sure we’re ever going to see eye to eye so I shall take my leave from the topic unless anyone wishes to discuss transitioning to a cruelty free lifestyle in which case I’d be delighted to help!

[sloaney donkey]

Hi 1.8m red head,

No problemo ... I know where you are coming from and fully respect your view. It has been a most fruitful debate.

I am having a BBQ this weekend and would love to chat. Tell you what: We provide the charcoal and baps and you bring the meat (but not horse meat ... I can never bring myself to eat that stuff).

Speak soon,

SP