Don't want to have husband's friends daughter and boyfriend to stay for 6 months but feel mean.

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Don't want to have husband's friends daughter and boyfriend to stay for 6 months but feel mean.

Postby oat milk latta » Fri Aug 16, 2024 9:47 am

An old friend of my husband who moved to Australia nearly 10 years ago has asked if his daughter and boyfriend can come to stay for 6 months, they are on a gap year and want to make London their base while they travel around Europe. Without help it probably won’t be possible for them to do it as rent as we all know is so high and they won’t be here for the whole 6 months in one go.

In all honestly, I don’t really know the daughter that well; she was 8 when they left for Melbourne, and although I have seen her for a lunch or dinner most years when they have been back in the UK, I have no idea what she is actually like.

My husband has all but said yes, and is saying that he wants to say yes, we have a spare bedroom but I am really not keen at all. We have two teens who will both be taking public exams next year, and I work full-time and in all honestly I’m just not sure I can take on or want the extra load. I just can't work out if saying no is being mean when it might mean they cannot make their trip. Can I say no or will it be too costly in terms of the friendship?

 
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Postby sconesplease » Fri Aug 16, 2024 11:58 am

That is a big ask, staying for 6 months is long time and London houses are not big (unless you have a big house) You have two teenage children to consider and their exams. It's all the extra laundry, extra people in the kitchen, the extra food needed and space for it. We had my friend to stay when I had a newborn for three months, it was ok to begin with but then I was folding her washing, picking up tea cups left around the house, extra cleaning (they won't be as clean and tidy as you are) Don't under estimate the extra load having guests long term in the house creates. I wouldn't do it again, if you want to have a private conversation with your husband or children in the kitchen and they are there, you can't. Also, if they pick up a bug and pass it onto your family (which might be more likely since they are going to be out and about travelling etc) Maybe you could compromise and have them to stay for a week initially and then a week at the end, or they could store some things at your house while they travel. You are not responsible for the accommodations of their trip so feel bad! And another point, in my experience most of the additional work falls on the Mum.
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Postby Cari » Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:10 am

I have a different view of this. I’m Australian and when my husband (then boyfriend) and I finished uni, we took a gap year and used his uncle’s house in Germany as our European base. We never stayed more than a few days at a time but it was wonderful coming home to a warm and welcoming house after travelling around. We washed our clothes, cooked for the family and hung out with their children (my husband’s cousins). That was 25 years ago but the bonds that developed then remain strong today. We’ve had their children’s children stay with us and a cousin is set to stay with her husband and young son this Christmas.
Yes, there will be extra work for you in having guests but there are also benefits. Takes of their adventures will inspire your teenage children and one day, it may be them looking to visit Australia, needing a place to stay. How wonderful knowing they will have a family supporting them on the other side of the world.
Any incidental issues about not pulling their weight or creating housework can be overcome as and when they arise.
Open your house and heart!
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Postby Tillylondon » Mon Aug 19, 2024 7:30 am

Offering a different perspective too .. my ex husband decided to foster when my kids were going through GCSEs and A levels.
At the time I was pretty miffed about the fact that my kids needed quiet time, focus and his sole attention due to their exams, when my kids went to stay.
However, what I never considered is what they would gain from the experience, and it’s been nothing but positive. Not only have they learnt about kindness shown to others, but their lives have become richer due to the relationships they have developed and having to learn to be more flexible and adaptable and compassionate.
Totally agree you are personally exposed to more work on the household front. Maybe come to an agreement about ground rules before they arrive with the parents / them. And maybe a contribution to a cleaner / food and if they are old enough (they sound it) they cook once or twice a week for you all (this is about effort and time saving for you rather than a grand meal or cost).
Good luck.
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Postby J_J » Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:01 am

I'd go with your gut, there will be some personalities who would relish the opportunity and there's others who'd hate the prospect. As above there are plenty of factors like how big the house is, how often they'd be with you vs how often they'd be out of the house, what they'd be doing when they're with you, what their expectations are with you cooking, cleaning, laundry etc...and even with an agreement on all these up front, be prepared for the promises to potentially be broken

To be honest if your house being available is a dealbreaker that suggests to me they plan on being there quite often - if they were planning on being elsewhere for the majority of the six months and a quick stop in for a week or two then it wouldn't be such a dealbreaker financially.

Add on the fact that it's a 18-19 year old's relationship - potential for disaster there too, whether it's them having "fun" or them arguing and being stuck with each other (and you!) for six months!

As to whether the friends feel annoyed at you, I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing but if they can't understand it in the context of London housing, your children's exams, additional pressure on you etc then I think that's on them.

Not for me, anyway...good luck...
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Postby Megan » Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:19 am

Firstly you are not mean at all to be having major reservations about this.

Only your family will know what's right for your family. We are all different with different tolerances and preferences. You could have seriously outgoing kids who will benefit from having slightly older fun Aussies to stay, or you could have quiet kids who need downtime at home after a full day at school. There really is only your right answer, and it's helpful that you're getting lots of perspectives here to help you think through all sides of this.

I have experience of young travellers staying in our house when my eldest was heading near to exam years, and will share that below.  But firstly few things jump out at me - I note that this conversation seems to have happened from bloke to bloke??? Your husband and his friend?  Echoing some of the earlier comments, unless your family is unusual, and with the best will in the world, so much of the emotional workload of the household does end up on women. Even if you're lucky enough that you have a fairer balance in your household you both need to sit down and literally write down the list of things that will be added to each of your workloads and decide if that's ok. But in general a bloke to bloke conversation might just miss out some of the aspects of what this visit would mean.  If you do go ahead with this could you have a Zoom call with both parents to get their individual perspectives of them. One of my Aussie cousin's daughters came to stay with me for a week a couple of years ago and even for such a short visit, my cousin spelt out for me before hand how messy she thought her daughter was and wanted me warned about setting rules about cups in the sink and clothes on the bathroom floor 😂 it was great to get that honestly ahead of time. She literally wrote it for me on a numbered list on What's app!


Secondly, travel is meant to be something you do to grow up and be self sufficient - in my opinion that should really include earning the money to travel. My eldest worked her socks off for 9 months in order to be able to travel and only stayed with family in Australia and New Zealand for 2 weeks maximum until she got settled in each country. The rest of the time she slummed in hostels! Or did work aways. So I'd want to know that anyone coming to stay is also coming travelling with that self sufficiency mentality. Not 'Daddy has organised free things for us' mentality. For example it would be much simpler for you, and much much much more appropriate for their self development that you only cook for them now and again, and they supply their own food - maybe out of generosity you could say that pasta and bread will be in unlimited supply but everything else is on them. It's not about being kind - it's about your workload, and frankly their own development. 

Thirdly do you use your spare room for your own friends and relatives? Are you going to have 6 months where no one else can stay? Do you want to reserve the right to let them know you need the room - that it's not their whole 6 month dumping ground. And if that clashes with time they want to be in the UK they could travel somewhere else in the UK, or they can stay in a hostel -that's what most young travellers do.

Having had all those reservations for you, and groaning for you when I first read this message, we did have youngsters staying in our house a few times - the longest for 6 months. And as others have said the ultimate upside for our children, particularly the eldest who was in mid-secondary school years, was wonderful.  The usual teenage hullabaloo at school - the exam talk, the friendship issues...were all put into perspective by these lovely youngsters who were out the other side of all that and let her see that life could be fun.  She would come home from school and download on these girls and be so much happier than if she'd talked to her boring old mother!  In her 20s now she's still in touch with them in their early 30s. Only recently we had two Autralian 25 year old lads staying for only one week, and our youngest who is now late teens loved chatting to them late at night, and was really buzzing about the things they were telling him about life, travel, university, making decisions about your future. So there is that possibility of some lovely new young people in your kids lives, who they might even travel to see in years to come. With the caveat that you don't know these two very well of course.

Finally, my one major recommendation if you do go ahead is to set some really firm rules about it all. This isn't about having house guests for 3 nights where you do everything to make them feel at home and generously provide everything. This a very different transaction if it does go ahead. So be really clear - spell it out that it could go wrong (that has to be obvious to anyone - whether they're 18 or not) and what do we do to prevent that. From the 'big' issues of them coming home late at night loud and steaming drunk, to the small issues of when the washing machine can be used. (For example I bought a cheap spare clothes horse for the youngsters who stayed with us and they kept it on the landing near their bedroom at night, and put it in their room during the day  when they were out). 

Good luck! There really are pros and cons, but only your family knows what's right for your family (ps your kids are old enough to be part of this decision too - it's not your husbands alone - I'm slightly worried that he hasn't involved them before all but saying yes). It might not work - and your husband and his friend need to agree what it will mean for them if it doesn't work. So that their friendship doesn't end up being part of the equation. 
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Postby supergirl » Mon Aug 19, 2024 10:25 am

I am with Cari qnd the other poster who talked about the gained experience.

I grew up with an open door extended family policy. My great great grand parents were geologists and travelled extensively in central america and northern Canada, I have aunts who married internationally, i have “assimilated” cousins because we ce known them for so long.
When my children will be of gap year age, the only continent we know no one is Oceania.

If I was in your shoes I would say a big fat yes. It is amazing for you and especially for your teenagers to meet people with different experiences and backgrounds, for them to see that there is a life beyond the schoolbooks something to work hard for. It could actually be the inspiration they need to put their head down for their state exams?

Also, by saying you would be in control of the situation. Ie. You can already tell them the dates that they would need to be away eg. Week or week end before mocks or weeks of the actual exams etc. Or when you have a big deadline at work.
They come yes but have to incorporate in their planning when you wont be available.
That way when they come the washing machine is available, the family is abailable and welcoming, there will a lovely homecook meal and super hot shower with fresh bed linnens. All the things you crave as a backpacker on a gap year.

You may enjoy the experience yourself too. Embrace it.
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Postby Behelpfulifyoucan » Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:06 pm

I understand your dilemma and anyone with teens at home realises its not a picnic.
I imagine the bulk of the domestic stuff would fall on you (in reality).
There are many inexpensive options for gap year travellers, Spare room, hostels, house sitting and so on. The house near us in this area often has short term tenants from overseas.
It's not a commercial rent theyd have to pay for a double room here and there.
It doesn't mean you can't have them round for a barbeque or Sunday lunch and a warm welcome or even a brief stay.

What if they go out drinking and come in late , or aren't keeping same hours as you lot. I think its a bit cheeky as it feels simply a cost-saving ask.
Parents could help pay some occas accomm.
You could agree to have them for a much shorter period esp if you might be taking holiday yourselves within the 6 month period and not have guests in run up to exams.
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Postby Behelpfulifyoucan » Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:55 pm

I understand your dilemma and anyone with teens at home realises its not a picnic.
We don't all have housekeepers providing 'fresh linen' ;)
I imagine the bulk of the domestic stuff would fall on you (in reality).
Not clear exactly how many nights during the 6-month period they would use the room. Is it really the parent's idea your place.
Planning accommodation is part of the gap-year independence.

For accommodation there are other options for gap year travellers, Spare room, hostels, house sitting and so on. The house near us in this area has short term tenants from down under and Europe .

That said, mentioning no group in particular, it was a 'party house' for a few years until the tenants swapped to another lot and suddenly quiet!
Before this, there were 3-weekly all night parties, with audible phonecalls in garden, at all hours due to time differences ! (and nocturnal trampoline in garden)
All fun if on year out of course.

It is not a commercial rent they'd have to pay for a double room here and there.
Saying no, or putting conditions on it, doesn't mean you can't have them round for a barbeque or Sunday lunch and a warm welcome or even a brief stay or airport collect. You have to follow your own instincts, easy for others to say 'yay have them to stay!'
A few nights might be well enough - they will not be coming to see you or your family necessarily and might be out every night.

What if they go out drinking and come in late , or aren't keeping same hours as you lot. Great to enjoy yourself but it might not fit in with your family.
I think its a bit cheeky as an ask for such a long duration as it feels simply a cost-saving ask.

Parents could help pay some occasional independent accommodation, which is part of planning a gap year.

Maybe preferable a much shorter period especially if are taking holiday yourselves within the 6 month period? and also I'd avoid run up to exams.

I assume neither you nor your husband have met the friends daughter and son ? How big is the spare room is another question ie would they share.
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Postby Behelpfulifyoucan » Mon Aug 19, 2024 1:05 pm

Excuse duplication.

Edited and re-posted my message as i bit confused seeing original post title was:

'..husband's friends daughter and son...'
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