Should sibling's rights be reduced for renters that move awa Post Reply

[tooposhtopush]

oh come on, grow up.

Look at this link...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... hools.html

or Google any articles about problems about teaching in inner cities.

We are talking about generalisations, of course we are, but compare the league tables of any inner city schools and then the league tables of leafy suburban schools.

They are worlds apart.

Seriously, you think working class schools don't have unique problems?

Really?

If you are still spitting into your latte then answer me this, how many of you have actually been into an inner city comprehensive class in the last five years?

[tgjmummy]

I had no idea that this was such an issue. I guess I had hoped it was a bit of a myth. I cannot believe so many people are actively planning to get their kids into school this way and furthermore they think it is ok. It does explain why there is such an issue. My concern is my little girl will not get a place at one of her 4 closest schools nevermind that her "local" school is Honeywell which we are less than 450m (300m as the crow flies). We certainly do not have the means to rent or send her to private school so to hear that people are just doing the best for their kids and should be applauded by depriving my daughter of a school place really annoys me. Surely if you were moving 800 m up the road you would be closer to a number of other schools!

[hjm]

I WENT to a terrible comprehensive school with a 25% GCSE passrate. There was all sorts of bad bevaviour and disruption, but the vast majority of children were not dirty or hungry!

I am not denying that there are problems in inner city schools, simply that being working class does not make you smelly or underfed or mean that your parents love you less.

[kiwimummy]

actually i was a governor of an inner city school through a city based charity. so yes, i have.

have you been into one of these schools, tooposhtopush, or do you just read the daily mail and panic about your children coming into contact with working class people?

[Firefly]

I have been into several in city schools and academies do voluntary work and all the children were clean and well presented.

[AbbevilleMummy]

The awful thing is that 800m really is not that far under the current system. And it is extremely conceivable that there would not be a closer school.

Due to the extreme shortage of good primary school places within certain pockets, what is considered 'local' and 'walking distance' has become ridiculous. It is definitely a lot further than 450m!!! So I will not feel guilty or wrong if my children are within a 20 minute walk to their school and I delayed buying in order to get them there.

And I will not loose any sleep with regards to stealing someone's place!! What are my other options? I was speaking to a guy the other day, who I think lives in the Clapham Junction area. He does not live within 500m of any primary school, let alone a good one. His first choice was Belleville as it is an outstanding school and the closest and easily walkable. Unsurprisingly his child didn't get in but was offered a place at a grade 3 school half an hours drive away in rush hour traffic. He is now looking to move out of London.

We need more school place in the clusters where they are needed. This is a country-wide problem and needs to be addressed at a national level. There is no easy answer and until one is found my plans remain.

[tgjmummy]

I agree that more school places are needed. The catchment for Honeywell is tiny given how many children there are around here. It is a shame they cannot go to four form entry from a numbers perspective. It would at least free up some non-sibling places.

[supergirl]

So after that what are you all going to do? Move again and rent kn the catchment for a top secondary school?

Have you ever considered the premium you are paying to either rent or buy in a catchment area for a top free primary school? The cost per sqm in battersea (sorry i am from the continent) is £7,000 per sqm as of last august (last time i checked). Which makes the premium you are willing to pay about the same price (or slightly more) of a "not posh" private school.

My husband and i cant afford to have our children school careers dictating where we live. Stamp duty, cost of moving, stress of moving, ... Thats not for us. My husband has a very demanding job and i am working hard at trying to find a creative way of going back to work. We have no time to waste in this as i am sure a lot of you are too. So now we are stuck in Battersea and we are v happy to be here. No more moving unless it is abroad

Consider this before you put yourself under this level of stress and more importantly do your math snd your homework instead of talking about rumours, generalusations and misguided views.

[swimeroo]

Anyone would think that Belleville and Honeywell were the only primaries in Wandsworth and that all the rest in the borough are sink schools that no one should go near. That's very sad and - as it happens - also untrue. There are some great primary schools elsewhere in the borough, including many of those that are rated as 'Good' by ofsted (despite all the attention going to the 'outstanding' schools). Of course, all should aspire to be outstanding - and its my understanding that most, if not all, of the good ones do just that. If you're in the Clapham Junction area there are several other decent primaries nearby, which are improving all the time (Wix, Shaftesbury Park, High View). I don't think you'd be treating your child as a guinea pig (as someone else said) to send your children to one of those schools.There's a collective panic in this area which is simply paranoia in most cases. Middle class kids with well-educated, well-informed and supportive parents will do well at schools other than B, HW or R.

Sorry, off topic I know, but I think this gets forgotton a lot.

[tooposhtopush]

Someone has just posted a question elsewhere...

http://www.nappyvalleynet.com/viewtopic ... 46&t=17241

basically they want to know how they stand on school entrance if they don't have an address.

I hope we can help them with advice but it did strike me as funny as we're arguing about renters getting a place and someone else nearby then asks how you stand if you're without a home in the area

[Pud1]

Well said swimeroo. The hysteria about Honeywell and Belleville is unbelievable! There are many, many good primary school in Wandsworth and, as you say, children who are well supported at home are likely to achieve well. I can't get my head around the awful assumptions made about children from working class backgrounds. Unbelievable comments Tooposhtopush. I will ensure my children grow up to respect people, regardless of their background. A very important lesson in life in my opinion.

[MGMidget]

The original poster was concerned about Ravenstone if you recall. Not all the hysteria is about Honeywell and Belleville!

[Writerlady]

Hjm - if you 'can easily afford school fees but choose not to' then you are very lucky. Given the situation outlined above, perhaps you should send your children to private school and give up your precious places to someone who really needs them.

[AbbevilleMummy]

I have no hysteria with regards to Belleville or Honeywell and neither of these schools would be my first choice. I was just giving the example of a chap I was speaking to and I'm not sure exactly where he lived.

[OoloK]

Thank you Swimeroo!! I can't agree more with your comment on the good schools.
I got quite concerned/stressed some months ago because of threads like this one, but I talked to parents, visited schools and I don't understand why the good schools are dismissed! There is definitely a shortage of primary schools places, but there is also a lot of good schools with dedicated teachers, good kids and parents who care in the borough!