Sleep training a 1 year old

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Sleep training a 1 year old

Postby falconmum » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:39 pm

Is it worth it ? I mean , of course in terms of me getting sleep , yes . But we have tried different techniques over the last year . Some work for a few days , then illness or teething happen and we are back to square one .
I am quite tired of letting the little man cry whether it is for 4 mins , 20 mins or whether it is cry it all out ..
there seems to be no other solution .

He sleeps in his own cot in his own room. The one thing I dont want to do is get him into our bed and get him used to that ...

So , is it worth going through the crying routine or are there other ways that you can make a 13 month old understand that he needs to sleep through the night ? Like a reward chart or something ....

Would love some insight and help ...
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Postby NovaLi » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:16 pm

Hi Falconmum,
There's no reason to ever make your child 'cry it out'. When I worked with Night Nannies Australia as a 'baby sleep guidance specialist' as I was so kindly titled, the whole agencies approach was NO controlled crying. Ever. I meet so many mums who are so against getting a sleep trainer or sleep consultant in for a few night as they think I will come in, say night night to baby and close the door on him. Then listen to him crying himself to sleep then charging mum a few hundred £. But you see, there's us more gentle night nannies and maternity nurses who just work in a different way. Yes it will take longer time and yes it will be hard work, but yes it works!

Ok, your child is 13 months old and you have tried everything? Tell me what you have tried, how long you stuck with it and what your sons response/ reaction was to these changes. What is the actual problem, he doesn't sleep through.. Does he only do an hour or two at the time? does he stay awake once woken up? How does he resettle?

PM me this info or post here if you feel ok with that, surely lots of mums wonder the same thing as you!

13 months is not too late at all to make a change! Def time for mommy to get her full nights sleep back! I usually work with young babies and simply wait for them to gain enough weight to be physically able to last through the night. At 13 months we know this is not the problem and he is definitely physically able to go through the night. Hunger is difficult to 'work around' but so many other reasons for night waking do have a solution.

PM or post here what's going on in the night and we'll come up with a plan!

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Re: Sleep training a 1 year old

Postby DomsMom » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:32 pm

Hanna,

Any tips gratefully received. My 20 month old, sleeps well during the day (2 hours at lunchtime, goes down without a murmur) and put to bed after a consistent bedtime routine - bath, bottle, story and then straight into cot without complaining around 7pm but then wakes up sometime in the night - could be between 10pm and 12 or maybe between 2am and 3am and screams for his mommy very loudly and will not settle at all unless I put him in bed with me. If I try to settle him in his cot he screams so loudly I just give in as don't want to wake the rest of the house and the neighbours! Then happily settles (in bed with me), sleeps until 5.30am ish. I am not thrilled with 5.30 am but could live with this if he would sleep through from 7pm without needing to be in bed with me. Am I being indulgent? We have another son who is a fairly light sleeper and I don't want to wake him (he generally also wakes in the night and needs to be put back into bed)

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Postby falconmum » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:46 am

hi Hanna,

Thank you for your email. I will post my dilemma here incase it helps some one else as well

Our sleep and sleep training voes have been ongoing since month 5 when I started working again and my son went to the nursery .

The nursery is not always able to follow the routines that I gave them. Irrespective, he has not slept through the night since he was born.
Owing to my mum being around , he got used to either being fed or patted to sleep .
We have shifted a lot of these patterns over the last few months.
I have gone through various methods including leaving him to cry (easier when he was smaller) but still heartbreaking. After a lot of reading , I tried the gradual withdrawal method and Return and check method. After these exercises , he seems to be fine for some time . For eg, since last week , we have been letting him cry while I stay in the room . it worked over the weekend . However, he went to the nursery on Tuesday after a long weekend . Slept at 6.30ish coz he hadnt slept well at the nursery . Woke up at 9.30 and would not let go of me . Even when I got into his cot to lie down with him , it took him about 40 minutes to settle himself ( i have stopped patting him, only use words) . But then he slept till 5am . At that time , had a sip of water and then slept for another hour.
Yesterday, he fell asleep on his own at about 7pm ( I was sitting near the cot but no talk, no touching) . Then woke up at 1 am and 4am , finally getting up at 6.15 am which is when I start getting ready for work ! If I get to him early enough, he will settle quickly . Otherwise , he works himself up and nothing will work apart from taking him out and giving a few cuddles and lullaby at 3 in the morning . The one thing I dont do is get him into the bed with us unless he is sick or teething .

The difference between yesterday and day before was that he had a 2.5 nap in the nursery yesterday and no Nurofen . Call me crazy but he seems to sleep better when he has had a small shot of Nurofen.

I know that sleep patterns are going to change a lot over the next year . I am looking for a solution where I am able to start reasoning with him . Maybe reward him if he stays in bed...My son is quite a light sleeper . Seems to get easily disturbed by light and noise in the early stages of sleep . Luckily, the house has an upstairs and downstairs but once we start travelling or going for sleepovers, that will not always be the case. Hence, trying to understand if there are other ways or tools that I can use to make him stay lying down .

So what do u think ?
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Re: Sleep training a 1 year old

Postby NovaLi » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:50 pm

Hello mums,

Thanks for emails and PMs!

Before I’m being lynched on this forum for giving advice on babies and children I have never met, I just want to say that I am only trying to help the best I can on the info you have sent. In a proper sleep consultancy I would ask about every little detail from birth weight to what baby ate three days ago.

I see that many of you are looking into ways to do sleep training WITHOUT controlled crying. You want to break habits and show your baby/child a new way to go to sleep/stay asleep. And just as any new skill, we need to practise, and do the same thing, over and over again. You (and your partner) need to MAKE A PLAN, then STICK TO IT! This is where many parents fail. Many parents simply give up day 5-7 and either just ‘live with it’ or turn to the method of controlled crying. Sleep training without controlled crying takes time, and you need to have a think if this is the right time for you (busy Xmas time coming up..). Sleep training will in the beginning leave you with less sleep than then before, but for it to work you must stick it out and be consistent. It will be worth it in the end! Those 3,7 or 20 days you are putting hard work into now might sound like much ,but it’s only a small part of all those nights of great sleep ahead..Your child has been used to certain ways for a long time, and we must be realistic and accept that a change is going to take time and be hard work for mum and dad. Or, if you want and can afford it, have a sleep trainer or maternity nurse come in and do those tricky first nights to get you on a good roll.
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Re: Sleep training a 1 year old

Postby NovaLi » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:53 pm

To: FALCONMUM

Sorry to hear you having a tough time with 13 month olds sleep. Hope I have some ideas for you.

Many say that sleep associations are bad and creates a desperate need for the thing/action given to sooth the baby, and baby wont go to sleep without it. Let’s try and create new, positive sleep associations that will help baby fall asleep, stay asleep and soothe himself if he wakes in the night.

All things you have tried are great and well done for really researching and trying different methods. Sitting next to the cot until he falls asleep is great to help him feeling safe while settling, but we need to understand that when he wakes in the night, he will wonder where you have gone. At 13 months it’s difficult to explain the concept of sleep, and for him, all that happened was that: My mommy sat next to the cot, I blinked (not understanding that I’ve been asleep) and now mommy is gone. Either, try the gradual withdrawal method again, and when you get to the stage of soothing him from outside the door, the last thing he will see before falling asleep is an empty room, which is the same as when waking in the night (seeing no mommy) and will be less confusing and he doesn’t have to wonder where you disappeared to in a blink. OR when you sit next to the cot, do so holding a teddy/wearing a hat (anything) that you, (when he has fallen asleep) put in his cot next to him/for him to see. This way at least when he wakes up, something that was there when he was settling, that he associates with mommy and feeling tired, is still there, and might help him go back to sleep.

At 13 months he is able to find and re-plug a dummy, push a sleepy-music toys tummy for a soothing tune or reach out for a fave blankie. Ideally there wouldn’t be any ‘things’ and ‘props’, but here we are, trying everything and accepting that it’s not going be all textbook. We want to give him something to hold on to in this, for him, **** time of being awake crying. Choose the time of day/night where he falls asleep the easiest, and introduce this new thing then, so he associates it with ‘Im feeling calm and sleepy’ Do that for about a week, ONLY when he is calm and sleepy. Following week, use it when he has woken up, and you have comforted him and he is calm and show it then. Next week use it to try soothe him with it. It needs to be something that he can do/reach himself. The goal here is not for him to never wake up in the night, but to be ok with the feeling of feeling tired and to be able to soothe himself. (Try a teddy wearing a teddydress/any clothing that you have kept in your bra all day to make it smell def mommy) Patting/Sh-ing is absolutely fine as it’s something you can do less and less, from strong patting and loud sh-ing to just resting a hand on him with small whispers.

It sound like the only thing that calms him is for you to pick him up – so do! You can try Tizzie Halls P.U./P.D. method (Pick up/Put down.) If he is crying to be picked up, pick him up! Hold him until he calms down, then give him the dummy/teddy and put him down again. This is going to take ages and it will kill your back. Keep notes on how many P.U./P.D. you do to see when you start to see any improvement. The trick is to put him down as soon as he has settled, and not to hold him any longer. We are not cuddling, we are just helping him calm down and stop crying.

It sound like you have read a lot on sleep and I see you have tried the gradual withdrawal method. Maybe give this a go once more. And this time if it doesn’t work, just take one step back. Say that you’ve gone from shh and pat to just sh-ing and now he is crying again, take a step back to pat and shh, without picking him up but you are still giving him that extra assistance to soothe.

Other thoughts I have is that maybe when you are putting him down it’s a bit of hussle and bussle in the house and when he wakes it’s just so so quiet. Try a radio running all night on a low low volume setting. The quiet voices/music can be very soothing for him as he is going between sleep cycles, just reassuring him that there is still some noises in the house, like it normally is, and perhaps was when he was settling to sleep. I don’t mean that it was very noisy at bedtime, but it’s easy for us as adults to forget about those little reassuring noises that means that ppl are around; taps running, toilets flushing, cupboards closing…

Another thought, in the most non accusingly meant way: You mention him sleeping so much better on Neurofren and only ever taking him to your bed if ill or teething. Keep a diary of how often you do give him Neurofren. Im only mentioning this as a family I worked with about 4 weeks ago,also ‘sometimes’ gave Neurofren. I was doing a live-in maternity nurse booking for the childs newborn baby sister and was keeping a diary of given medication so mum and I wouldn’t over-dose. In 5 out 7 days the child would be dozing off on Neurofren as he was fussing so incredibly much, mum thought he must be sick and gave Neurofren, which is fine. But almost every night, every week, is too much!

Re nursery. When he wakes there after a nap I’m guessing its straight back to play and loud activities. If he goes to nursery every day he might have the sleep association of ‘waking up means play’ or if he is sharing naptime with lots of other babies/toddlers, perhaps when any child is waking up, he is being picked up straight away, the second he starts stirring/making ‘wake-up noises’ I’m thinking that the kind and only well-meaning staff will rush to him and pick him up straight away, for him not to do his ‘oh-i-just-woke-up-cry’ and wake up and disturb the other children. Possibly he is so used to being attended to straight away when waking from his nap, this is what he expects at home as well. Ask to spend a full day with your son at nursery to see what his day is actually like.

Just a few thoughts I had! Best of luck and hope you get some sleep tonight!
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