How do you deal with another mum who blanks you?

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Postby firsttimerSW11 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:41 pm

I'm not British either. I have lived here for 13 years and am married to one and in the nicest possible way, with no disrespect or offence meant, as well as acknowledging that I am generalising an entire nation, my experience is that they are a nice bunch and very respectful, but a little more reserved and formal than say, Americans. Perhaps she feels that she doesn't know you. Either that or this particular lady is a right old *&^%$£ and you shouldn't worry much.
If you're that bothered if you see her at the nursery doors or whatever, perhaps it's worth just introducing yourself, if you're that bothered about it.

For what it's worth, if you smiled and said hi to me, I'd say hi right back! I like when people are friendly and always reciprocate but I'd rarely smile at someone first because they would probably think I was a loon. In my own country you could smile and chat to anyone and it would be perfectly normal.
I guess London is a bit different.
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Postby windmill26 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 8:47 pm

Get used to it,plenty like her in the school playground!
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Postby lamj1974 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:17 pm

Such a shame when people have nothing better to do than start a controversial debate on here when clearly they are sitting there doing nothing. Fake!
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Postby annamike » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:13 pm

I find this post interesting and - somehow - amusing. If some people feel "offended" by the idea that a cultural gap might be the reason behind this mum's behaviour is just because it might be true. Being non-british I have to accept the country's culture and unfortunately sometimes need to face the reality of people ignoring each other.. call it culture, being shy or whatever it is.. this is something that is quite common in England.. but hey, we decided to live here and need to accept it...
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Postby SFMC » Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:42 pm

I agree with firsttimerSW11 and annamike's assessment. I'm a non Brit and also think there are some cultural differences to contend with - or maybe it is just a London thing as out in the countryside and other places in England I have found many say hello!
I have found during my 13 years here it has taken me a bit longer to to befriend Londoners... they are seemingly less 'open' and take longer to get to know but become great and trusted friends when you do connect and develop a relationship.
Americans seemingly have a very open, casual and informal approach - and perhaps at times form a slightly more superficial relationship to start with?


It maybe has to do with what I call the customer service ethos of north americans. 'hi how are you' when you walk into a store and a big smile.
Londoners are probably just busy!

Don't flame me please!
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Postby twice_as_nice » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:50 am

Sometimes is it just down to the person?!!!

I have someone in my girls' nursery who I have seen a lot of times at pick up / drop off who I've also seen at 1 o'clock clubs and gone to say hi to and she's completely ignored me. Initially I was baffled, as I thought she must recognise me. Now I just realise either she's rude or too busy or (most likely) I'm not 'her type of person'....the last point which makes me all the more happy that she's always ignored me as I now realise (for different reasons) we are in different 'social classes' and I never want to be part of hers.

Surely this happens everywhere? If this really is a genuine post......don't damn a whole nation by one persons's approach!!
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Postby GeoffTheSmith » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:56 am

There is a thing about Brits. Some of us don't exactly like foreigners. I've seen it with a lot of people. But that doesn't mean we are all like that. No.. I like meeting new people and exploring different cultures.

Don't worry that much. I bet others say hello to you. Just because some mother in the park didn't say anything, doesn't mean you should start posting on forums and complain about it. Don't make a big fuss. You'll meet people.
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Postby Mumstwo » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:12 am

I lived in Los Angeles for a while and I too ended up with mainly British expat friends. At a dinner one time an American girl was talking about a German woman who had told her that she would never want to live in America and the whole group was totally shocked, I found this quite amusing as I was counting the days until I could go home!!!

I think there is a cultural difference between Brits and Americans although I can't decide which is more/less friendly. I never felt like I belonged in America so we came home, and I never told any Americans that their culture didn't suit me - that is just rude - and I would have never criticised their culture on an American website- how uncouth that would be!!!!
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Postby petyo » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:38 am

Hm , that is just a personal character and attitude. She may be insecure, shy, well brought up but snobbish , dislikes new encounters or simply doesn't want to make new friends. we have the same sort of situations at my daughter's school where some very young mums are clustered in groups and blank everyone out ,but them again we are mostly foreigners (Polish, Pakistani , Russians ,Bulgarians ) and they are British :) I never thought it meant anything ,because people are different and just to judge them simply by nationality is one way of doing things and too over-simplistic for my taste.
One of the moms at school I talk to is American (from NY) and she is different -chatty , smiley and upbeat ,all right , but so is the Italian or English moms and to make generalizations is never wise.
I would stop trying if she is giving an indications that she doesn't welcome the attention.Pity,though ,but you can't change the world !
By the way we are moving to Canada (finally got the confirmation after nearly 2 years wait ) and just speaking to the future employers, recruiting company and funny enough my new encounters are mostly Canadian people ( What are the chances ?::)I can see a stark contrast to the way they talk, behave , socialize and accept positively everything . :D
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Postby kfussell » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:51 am

If I were you I would make this woman matter less by making yourself really busy with play dates and getting out of town: bocketts farm, kew gardens etc. I have felt like this (I am english) and then I realised that I needed to be more proactive and busy. I have also realised that some people are just so busy doing pick ups etc and caught up in their own lives that they just don't realise how they are behaving. Don't let this woman who you don't even know upset you, one day just say hi, I have been meaning to introduce myself blah, blah when you aren't so upset about it. Honestly, you aren't alone, lots and people feel like this who are english and you just have to take the best bits.
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Postby cheshirecat » Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:55 am

Some people are like that. I have a neighbour who attends the same playgroups and our daughters do brownies together. For ages she would walk past me even if we'd passed polite conversation only days before. I find he very odd but now I make sure I say hi everytime I pass her. Unfoetunatly this rudness is common in London, other parts of the country have more manners. Although not always.
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Postby calgary » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:05 am

I'd ignore her - regardless of the reason (and there were many suggestions why) it simply sounds as if it's not worth the continued effort and recurring aggravation for you to try and connect with the woman. There are plenty of nice ones around :)

I've lived here for getting on 7 years and have found it no different than other countries I've lived in, the US excluded -more on that later. My frieds too are mainly expats though I've met a number of lovely Brits after having my boys. I would say that the issue is less cultural than circumstantial. If you're an expat you're a different 'breed' of person. Not everyone would accept/choose such a life. I think that the ones who do are just naturally more keen to get out and meet people and be sociable and are often the only ones who don't already have a full social circle that they can barely manage. We're all very busy and I can understand that if you've grown up and lived in the same area all your life that you've already got so many social gatherings pulling on your time that you've perhaps no additional time for others possibly.

Regarding my US comment, I would say that the US and Canada(where I'm from) are similar in 'styles' but that there's a definite difference in both countries between the east and west coast. On the east coast it takes some time for people to warm up but once they do they'll likely be a friend for life. On the west coast, people are extremely friendly right off the bat but once you leave they pretty much forget about you ie out of sight out of mind. A generalization yes, but for the most part I've found it to be true as have a number of other career expats.

People are like Forrest Gump's line ...life is like a box of chocolates..sometimes you get great ones and sometimes not.
So here's to diversity, in all its styles!
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Postby Cals_mum_silly » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:56 pm

Thank you all so much for all the replies!
Wow. You may not say much in person, but just get you in an internet forum... kidding. :-D

I guess the general feeling I get is that, yes, if you're an expat (no matter where you come from originally), you have to make the effort, and that's what I tend to do, without forcing it. It has to come naturally, but in order to live in a foreign culture, you do have to express curiosity, we do often go exploring (yesterday we went to Leeds Castle), we make it a mission to get to know the country that we're in... and often times, I feel, that people just aren't interested. That's depressing.

Here's a bit of background to put it in context: I lived in France during summers since I was fifteen, I spent a couple of years in Italy before / after university, I worked in Ireland for a quarter and Dubai for another quarter, before we had my son. I traveled a lot. My family hold passports from the U.K., Ireland, and Israel, and (obviously) the U.S. where I grew up. ...my husband and I spent all of 2009 in France on a work project. He's German. He grew up in Namibia. ....so we have a bit of experience hoofing it all around the planet. And we always take it upon ourselves to do the adapting. But I have to be honest, there are times it feels like London is not worth the effort. it's not that the museums and the parks aren't amazing - they are - it's that you never *ever* make local friends. i'm speaking from my own experience but it's a generally acknowledged fact amongst expats.

Which leaves me wondering, why does this place suffer from so much cognitive dissonance? I mean, if you're going to invite people to come from all over the world (I was transferred here from New York by Deutsche Bank) to come and live in your city, why not enjoy it?! New Yorkers and Parisians - my two closest points of comparison - never let you get away without your life history. Their perspective is, approximately, to paraphrase: "you want to live here? (...arched eyebrow, slight frown).. okay! tell me about yourself! starting now." ...and that conversation can go on and on.

i get that not everyone does this, which is no bad thing. but i sense that there is a huge amount of resistance to the mere idea of foreigners living here, even those of us who are not chasing asylum, benefits, etc., all more problematic topics. so why not take some interest in the people you live next to, if for no other reason, than to get back some sense of control over the process?

it's ridiculous to pretend that there's some kind of Berlin wall running between our gardens. silly. and stupid. and... guess what? we're really not all that different. we all have a lot more in common with each other than anyone likes to admit. we are all a lot more fortunate than the asylum seekers who probably outnumber us, to put it in real perspective.

so forgive me, but this cultural exception might make sense if it were about a real phenomenon -- like protecting a national industry, or a national culture - like France does, to occasionally comic but serious effect. but saying, "I can't talk to another mummy at nursery," presumably because our cultures are different, when you claim to call us cousins (as I've learned)... that's just random. so is she; but she's not the point, really.

the point is, every other place I've lived, I've put down roots and made friends. this is the exception. and it's not a good one. if you want to invite the world to live in your capital city, you have to get to know the people who take you up on your invitation.

and for the record -- this is the first time I've chosen a public forum to complain about it.

but for five years I've been reading umpteen articles moaning about how many americans there are running departments that the BBC (where my husband works), running the banks, etc.... it's silly.

if you don't like us, why don't you run your own companies? ...or at least, get to know us? ...for instance, at nursery. we've made a commitment to this country. that deserves minimal acknowledgment.

those of us with children have made a huge commitment to this country. to spurn that, is truly ugly. that's my opinion.

and for a point of comparison, it takes immigrants to the U.S. about five nanoseconds to assimilate into a culture that is prepared to welcome anyone with goodwill who works hard. ...we even make them Supreme Court Justices. and Presidents. .... for what it's worth.
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Postby Cals_mum_silly » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:03 pm

....I know that politics/ history/ culture/ economics, are all supposed to be sort of beside the point when you're looking for a really good dentist or a place to hold a party... but my son's asleep now. this is what I revert to, when I'm not playing dodgeball with a two-year-old. :-D

i find the notion that anyone broaching "serious" topics must be a fake, quite curious. ..and funny.
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Postby Jen66 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:21 pm

This seems to have really got to you.

However, this really is just YOUR experience. I know plenty of people (Americans included) who have settled well into London and made friends. Among my group of friends are people from: Spain, Brazil, France, Australia, Sweden, USA and Canada.

I think you're coming at it from totally the wrong angle. You seem to be suggesting that Londoners still regard foreigners suspiciously. Actually I think it's the complete opposite - I think that foreigners are so much the norm in London that nobody bats an eyelid. As for expecting people to be fascinated by your story and background - why should they? I can't think of anything more tedious than some work colleague telling me their entire life story. No thanks.

If this perceived hostility is something you are encountering time and time again then - hate to say it - but it's you, it really is. Maybe you come across as too needy or demanding or full on. All things that would put me off
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