5-11 CHILDREN'S COVID VACCINES - would you put your child anywhere near them ? Post Reply

[muddyboots]

For me it’s no and because I disagree with the fact that unlike any other vaccine it’s to benefit others not the child itself.

I have given my children all other vaccines in the immunisation programme so not an anti-vaccer.

To me, I need to measure the marginal benefit/risk and it’s not worth it to me at this point.

Everyone has to do their own judgments based on the information available.

This is different compared to any other vaccine offered.

[ronangel]

Vaccine Q and A Facts to help you make the best decision for children!
https://ssrichardmontgomery.com/download/vacqa0009.jpg
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And here uncensored  Information! NHS links
https://naturalnews.com/2021-12-03-exce ... llout.html

Read carefully and make up your mind! Forget Government controlled  Main stream media!
These "vaccines" effects cannot ever be reversed as change DNA of body!
 

[chorister]

muddyboots, ronangel

1. One of the big benefits of the MMR vaccine is that it protects (1) children either too young to be vaccinated or (2) people whose compromised immune systems prevent them being vaccinated from what is a very infectious disease (measles) - it is therefore plain wrong to say that the COVID vaccine "unlike any other vaccine [is] to benefit others not the child itself".  Practically all vaccines in fact protect others too.

2. ronangel - do you even know what DNA stands for?  If you are going to post rubbish at least try to make it credible.

[MGMidget]

My daughter will have hers when she can.  Having had covid she will have to wait for the requisite 12 weeks after recovery.  Despite being fit and healthy my daughter was more ill than me when we both caught covid and I had had my 2 doses and a booster (and I am not young but over 50 so technically more at risk).  So the vaccine seems to help or children are just being more affected by the Omicron variant.  Whilst she wasn't ill enough to become an emergency it was probably the worse illness I remember her having.  Since that was just Omicron which is supposedly milder than previous variants my main concern is what is around the corner in the way of future variants.  Clearly it has been  spreading easily amongst primary-aged school children and teachers and a future variant could be very nasty for the unvaccinated child population and any school staff who are vulnerable.

And Readysteadycook you have previously had a thread you started removed on a different but Covid-related topic.  Remember the vaccine has been given to primary-aged children in many countries already and the British government has been more cautious than most.  I am all for freedom of speech but I think you need to be careful you aren't crossing a line.  For example, the link you provided to the sad news story of a child death at Putney Leisure centre has no information on the cause of death and that probably isn't known yet.   It is therefore irrelevant at the moment.  

Annabel I hope you are watching this!

[Bunnypigeon]

Using the death of an innocent young girl to try and further your agenda is about as low as one can get. How dare you?
Admin- surely that crosses a line??

[Bunnypigeon]

Using the death of an innocent young girl to try and further your agenda is about as low as one can get. How dare you?
Admin- surely that crosses a line??

[readysteadycook]

The purpose of this post is to talk about the pros and cons of giving this 'vaccine' to young children. It is sad that some people just want to shut down conversation as it doesn't fit with your view of the world. 

Vaccines need to be developed for a specific variant/disease to work, so giving a vaccine now for something that might happen, might not work. Remember the booster was out before Omicron was found. Vaccines also only last a short number of months as well  and its documented people that get it 2nd time have a more mild version. Something to think about and wait for perhaps, but its your decision.

The local girl at Putney Leisure centre is highly highly unusual, it wouldn't be in the paper otherwise - its also at the start of vaccinations for the age group. You can't discount or apply the cause as being the vaccine - all I am highlighting is it could be and its about building up a picture. Its not meant to scare anyone.

Again, remember, you will not get any balanced view on the mainstream media and its really important to talk though issues on a safe website like Nappyvalley, as its our children's health and lives that we are responsible for. I have no issue with anyone giving the vaccine to their children, as long as its been fully thought about in their interest - and its not in every childs interest in my view.

 

[Poppy0750]

@Readysteadycook: imo, this thread is pointless. There have been many parents eager to vaccinate their children against Covid-19. That's why, even though JCVI did not recommend Covid vaccines to children the government went ahead and introduced them.
imo, whoever wants to give Covid vaccines to their children should have an option to do it. Otherwise no one should be forced to get these vaccines as they do not protect against spreading.

[readysteadycook]

"much of the vaccine debate is hidden on the mainstream media and much of the internet hides anything negative to the Vaccines" ........... ah yes of course, but I, readysteadycook, have second sight so can clearly see all that is hidden.  And if I set my mind to it I could use my second sight to predict the winner of the 3.15 at Sandown Park next Saturday and we could all get rich (except the bookies).

By the way, do you know what mRNA stands for and how how mRNA vaccines work?

​Here is some information on mRNA :-​

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA

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Compare the​ Conventional vaccine with a mRNA vaccine (lots more going on) :-


​A ​Conventional vaccine:
Vaccine > circulation > ab response.

mRNA vaccine:
Vaccine > LNP + mRNA > cytoplasm > translation > spike expression > circulation > ab response > immune memory.

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mRNA is a protein template. So the mRNA has to access the cellular machinery (ribosomes etc) to manufacture the antigen protein, and that protein has to be expressed by the cell before any immune response will be stimulated.

You are hijacking cellular processes to transcribe a genetic template into a ‘therapeutic’ protein, which is why the term gene therapy (rather than ‘vaccine’) is appropriate. However, there is some research that suggests the mRNA can be reverse transcribed into DNA, which would change the cellular blueprint.

You are manufacturing toxins with your cells, which is bad enough, but if the mRNA does incorporate into DNA you could potentially be stuck with the problem, and if it reverse transcribes into gametes it would be hereditable. That’s the worst case.

As you see, there are lots of questions …

[readysteadycook]

@Readysteadycook: imo, this thread is pointless. There have been many parents eager to vaccinate their children against Covid-19. That's why, even though JCVI did not recommend Covid vaccines to children the government went ahead and introduced them.
imo, whoever wants to give Covid vaccines to their children should have an option to do it. Otherwise no one should be forced to get these vaccines as they do not protect against spreading.

Ok, understood. So if Vaccines don't stop children getting or spreading Covid (and children aren't affected by Covid in any sort life threatening way) - why would you give it to them if there could be adverse effects ? (and there are adverse effects around the world). 

I can't see the Risk v's Reward here  - So, please help me !

[Annabel (admin)]

Hi Everyone and thank you for posting on NappyValleyNet.

As requested I have been keeping an eye on this thread.

Many of those who are currently contributing to this thread are long term users and have contributed on a wide range of subjects as well as this one.

For now I am happy that the thread stays - I have deleted one post - that relating to the extremely sad  death of a ten year old at Putney Leisure centre. Given that the cause of death is yet to be made public I don't see how that piece of news has a place in this debate.

Please keep on track with comments and please be respectful of others points of view.

Many thanks A.

[Poppy0750]

Ok, understood. So if Vaccines don't stop children getting or spreading Covid (and children aren't affected by Covid in any sort life threatening way) - why would you give it to them if there could be adverse effects ? (and there are adverse effects around the world). 

I can't see the Risk v's Reward here  - So, please help me !  

I, myself, would not, but I will give other parents a choice. Just like the parents have now got a choice to expose 5 yo to sex show https://www.bristolworld.com/whats-on/t ... re-3647301

[Mumofthreeteens]

This is still such a contentious subject and I think we should welcome free speech not shout to admin because you don’t agree.

I have commented on this post because as a mum I worry not only about my own children but their friends too. Most of us on here are parents and want what is best for our own and all children.

We have been “nudged” by main stream media into accepting one view and hatred has been encouraged towards anyone who has questioned things. Labels such as “anti-vax” for questioning one vaccination or “conspiracy theorist” for providing peer -reviewed alternative reports and views.

The JVCI have said the risks outweigh the benefits for children to have these vaccines but under political pressure let the programme go ahead. The VAERS report in the US indicate that children have had the worst outcomes with a child vaccine ever, yet you have to search for this data.

You really should look up the government’s own weekly Covid surveillance reports. An eye opening read. Evidence suggests that the vaccines have been destroying immune systems. The triple vaccinated have the worst outcomes. Read the reports. The data is all out there it’s just the mainstream media is choosing not to print it. In the US , the Dept of Defence has reported huge increases in cancers, heart issues, miscarriages etc since the vaccine was rolled out, we are talking multiple times increases. Search it up.(I would suggest not using Google but Duck Duck Go or Brave).

It is hard to believe that in the western world so many people have been encouraged and shockingly mandated to have an experimental vaccine that may cause more harm than good so it easy to deny this could be the case. I suggest you research the fines that Pfizer have had in the past for drugs they have declared safe. Moderna has never produced a vaccine before their Covid one and all the test subjects for all manufacturers have been unblinded so conveniently (and unscientifically) they have no “control” groups of unvaccinated.

Look up the poor Children in their hundreds and thousands that were harmed/sterilised/killed by experimental vaccines given in India (By WHO/Bill Gates Foundation) and in parts of Africa (WHO/gates foundation). Absolutely criminal. The information is out there. The Gates foundation is banned from India as a direct result of the many deaths.

We have caused enough damage to our children with masks and closed schools (neither of which have been proven to stop the spread) now we should inject them with something for which the long term affects are not known. Why not wait? The original poster correctly pointed out that the vaccines are lagging the variants. Most children have had Covid now and have some natural immunity. Why take the chance for potentially no reward and more risk.

We will not be able to visit some countries we might have liked to this summer but I doubt any child will be remembering 2 weeks in the sun when they develop myocarditis or long term fertility problems…

This is not like any other vaccine before it.

I will say no more. For my conscience I have tried to awaken parents to the potential risks. I hope you do stray off Google, BBC Sky etc for a little while and read some other scientific research. There is lots out there from Nobel prize winners to other highly regarded doctors, immunologists, paediatricians etc. Evil prospers when good people do nothing…please spend a little time just to check . It is your children’s futures.. Best wishes to all.

[Bunnypigeon1]

It must be exhausting going through life convinced everyone is lying to you and out to get you…

[muddyboots]

Chorister why are you talking to me about the MMR? Totally not the point or at all comparable.

This is a discussion and people are stating their opinions.