Home always dirty/messy after father in law visit - advice please

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missraphaella
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Home always dirty/messy after father in law visit - advice please

Postby missraphaella » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:38 am

My father in law and I have always gotten along really well, we have a really good bond and he often visits us to spend time with the children. I love him very much so this is nothing to do with him on a personal level.

The issue I have is that he has some very specific quirks whereby whenever he does visit, he feels the need to seek out things to do without asking us, and this often results in a huge mess or creates disruption. Which then falls on me to undo or repair once he's gone, which usually is on a Sunday evening when I'm trying to get the house and everyone (kids) ready for the week ahead.

Things like obsessively mowing our lawn in a haphazard way and then tossing all of the cut grass all over the hedges, which he claims is good for growth. Often when he does this it's very casually so there's mess all over the paving as well, clogging up the drains. I've tried to kindly ask him if he could please use the garden refuse popup bags we have, as we take garden refuse to the tip. He nods & then forgets, repeating the process every visit. 

Whenever he uses the kitchen for anything, be it to make a cup of tea, anything - he has a habit of randomly grabbing dry, used sponges sitting on the side of the sink and wiping over all the countertops - without any cleaning products, more just a habit. It means he is spreading whatever yuck is on said sponges all over the kitchen, meaning I have to remember to wipe everything down with Dettol after he leaves. He refuses to use our dishwasher, instead insisting on hand washing everything. I have no issue with this except for the fact that he doesn't rinse, nor wipe anything dry, so we end up with piles of wet crockery and plates in our cupboards - mugs & bowls will often have dirty standing water in them and if we don't discover them for a few days, they start to smell mouldy.

Most recently, my husband and I went away for a few days for the first time in 5 years and my FIL kindly stayed over to help. When we returned, I discovered he'd gone into the basement and grabbed everything and shoved it all in several large boxes without any order. It was messy but I actually knew where most things were, as I was halfway through an organising project which I've been working on for weeks. This included everything from receipts (we run our own business), children's academic books/assignments, family items, personal things etc). I don't know where anything is now and I'm going to have to empty all the boxes and start all over again. which is going to take more weeks to undo. It actually feels like an intrusion. I couldn't imagine going to a family members' house (or anyones) and going through their belongings and chucking everything into random boxes.

I know that none of the above is from a place of malice, in his own way my FIL thinks he is being helpful. I don't take for granted the fact that we have a grandparent interested and keen to spend time with the children. It just that the visits always create so much more work for me (my husband nods about how quirky his father is being but then walks off!). I don't want to say anything that he could take offence about, or be hurt about, but I'm starting to get anxiety whenever I know he's coming to visit as I dread all of the mess that will result. Most recently I always feel a bit violated about the basement issue.

Advice very much welcome on how to handle this, thank you.
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Re: Home always dirty/messy after father in law visit - advice please

Postby RumourMill » Sat Jan 28, 2023 11:39 am

I feel your pain.

So I think there are a few things to consider.

Firstly, how old is he and could this be the symptom of something else? People do behave oddly as they get older and set in their ways but could this be the start of something like dementia etc? I only ask because most people don't rearrange other people's homes for them (even family) so this is a bit of a red flag.

Putting that to one side, you don't mention your partner? I'd have thought the first point of contact is your husband and to talk to them about it. Was he always like that? How did they cope at home?

Lastly, I think you need to think about what battles you want to "win". I know it can be annoying tidying up after relatives but if that's the cost of some "free" childcare then that might be a price worth paying? I'm not trying to minimise your pain, honestly, just want to ensure the bigger picture is at least being looked at.

Assuming that this is just old fashioned, set in their ways, behaviour and you want to win the battle then this is what I'd do.

Sit him down with a cup of tea and explain, "look i love it when you're here but could you help me out with ONE more thing?" Then give him ONE thing, and ONE thing only to change.

Lets make it the dishwasher.

People can mentally dismiss a full list of changes as but if it's ONLY the dishwasher then it's harder to ignore.

Then ask your husband to show him how to use the dishawasher and just ask him to use it in front of your husband.

And if he doesn't ask him again and again and again if he can use it.

And again.

Get passive aggressive with your husband if FIL still refuses and when the two of them are together ask then both "hey did he show you about the dishwasher, it makes my life SO much easier?".

This is a choice on his part.

Make the choices easy for him compared to the grief of you banging on about it. Be the dishwasher bore. Bang on and on an on about the dishwasher. Eventually the two of them will do it just to make their lives easier. You'll probably hear your husband say to his dad "for christ's sake use the washer, she's doing my head in".

Once that is done then go onto the next point. And the next. 

Change is a single step etc.

The problem here is that you might be labelled as being boring and a nag but the easiest retort to that is to someone has to be.

As I say, you might not want to go down this route but if you do that's the way I'd do it.
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Postby mochachino » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:30 pm

I feel your pain but having found myself in a not dissimilar situation I would suggest that you need to get ahead of him.

I think maybe leave out the garden bags when he is coming so it is easier for him to spot them and not forget to use them.

Swap the old cloths for new ones and leave the dettol spray right next to them or put everything away and leave some biodegradable antibacterial wipes for him to use so that you aren't left having to clean up after him.

The basement is the big one - I think that you need to get your other half onto this to make sure that he realises that this wasn't necessary or welcome and you don't want it repeated.

All of this said, not sure of your FIL's age but you will remember his quirks and willingness to help when he can longer visit and these days come around before you know it.

Best of luck!
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Postby NewSky » Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:47 am

A few things to consider:
1. Your FIL might actually not change, even if you have a talk with him. Maybe you will have to decide between being away alone for a few days and dealing with mess for some time after. (The older we get, the less likely to change)

2. Short term reminders might be better (ie beginning of visit, not after)

3. Throwing money at the problem? Like a cleaner to deep clean kitchen cupboards after he’s been ?

4. Where is your husband in all these? Get him to clean after his dad. For me you have a husband issue, not a fil issue.
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Postby Bunnyboots » Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:04 am

Two things occur to me, firstly is there any way you can preempt these things, for example by mowing the lawn before he arrives then locking the mower away and quickly putting all the crockery in the dishwasher before he gets a chance to start washing up? Hide the washing up liquid and tell him you’ve run out if he asks!
The second thing I wondered is maybe he feels at a bit of a loose end and goes round looking for things to do. Could you maybe provide some sort of alternative activity, like a 1000 piece jigsaw he could do with your children? Or a specific task he could not mess up?
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