Playgrounds are for kids, not prize fights

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Playgrounds are for kids, not prize fights

Postby Cals_mum_silly » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:09 pm

ok this may garner me the reputation of the local rant but here’s another issue that i’m hoping this community can solve.

i was at the park on clapham common (the one with the sand pit) with my son today, sunday. it was quiet. for a while, we were the only ones there. the first other kids to arrive were so happy to enjoy the space they had all to themselves. and then... the boxing began.

two men were training, one was a professional trainer, one was a client; and they were going at it about five feet from the fence of the playground.

first of all, it was loud. i noticed a few parents turning their heads in the direction of the sound and peering at the two figures. most were dads, for what it’s worth, to show that i’m not suffering from feminine sensitivity.

the match had all the appearance of a live boxing round and was -- i thought -- totally inappropriate in that location. as far as the kids were concerned, it was not exercize but a fight. how were they to know?

at a moment my son was safely distracted, i went over, and with apologies for interrupting, asked if they could move to a safer distance and explained that “the kids don’t know this isn’t a real fight.”

i thought -- perhaps innocently -- that this would garner affable, lighthearted excuses followed by a rapid de-camp. ...wrong.

the trainer (a big, Scottish bloke) pushed back and frankly adopted a counterproductive attitude. ...and i’m still searching my mind to reckon, why? what on earth could be gained by contesting the point? the activity is disruptive. go somewhere else. you’ve got the whole park.

if someone informs you that an activity you’re engaged in is disturbing their children, isn’t your first instinct simply to apologize? and move?

i insisted, “we’re just trying to play with our kids, and you’re fighting a boxing match five feet away. you have the whole park. why can’t you use some other space? why do you come to train at a children’s playground?”

i turned to run back to my son before he could get into trouble. that ended the discussion before it could escalate, but not before the Scottish bloke conceded with the most grudging of ill grace to move, “for the sake of no argument.” an argument, however, is exactly what we’d had.

it strikes me, that claiming the moral high ground when you’ve just refused a polite -- and legitimate -- request from a parent, on behalf of her kids, is ridiculous. what could be easier than to walk 25 yards away?

and it strikes me that if i had been another man, a dad, and not a mum, he might have obliged a polite request instead of picking a fight then claiming to avoid one -- a predicament that rankles, badly.

his main argument -- word choice deliberate -- was that the twelve rounds boxing mummies train next to the playground. and if i had had time enough to waste on this man, i would have explained to him, “that’s because their children are here with them, and they come to use the playground.”

but, what brings you here? this bloke’s client wasn’t at the park because he was a dad. they weren’t accompanied by family. they were only using the space, i would imagine, because it provides a convenient landmark. but by all means, meet there... then walk 25 yards away, to the west.

....can’t you find your own place to play, in other words?

kids aren’t scared of the boxing mummies because they are recognizable mummies. their routine is totally different and while it does involve some noise, it only gets going when the playground is packed and noisy already. plus, their moves in no way mimic a fight. they are recognizably exercize.

not to respect the space, is to show contempt for the rights of other people - many of them smaller, more vulnerable people, and their parents, who want to enjoy their time with them. i want to be with my son, not listen to men grunting and punching each other. family time is precious.

i planned on calling the parks police Monday morning, but before i do, i’m hoping that someone can share the name of the trainer or the firm that employs him, because i feel like this deserves a serious look-in.

two men, going at each other, at full volume, indistinguishable at short distance from a prize fight, do not belong next to a children’s playground. a professional local trainer who uses the park for his work, should know better than to spoil a Sunday morning we share with our kids.

....FIND YOUR OWN PLAYGROUND!
who’s with me?
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Postby izzye789 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:36 pm

i wasnt there but agree with everything you have said disgusting couldnt have been adults just idiots. proberly no kids of there own.
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Postby nuttymummy » Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:59 pm

I agree! I had a similar experience a couple of years ago though in my case I received the hoped for smile & acceptance that they may not have chosen the most suitable venue....I asked that they move away from the park as my 2yo was watching & then copying..basically trying to take out me & a couple of other toddler bystanders! Obviously a different trainer as the one I spoke to immediately moved on & understood my issue. This guy sounds like a jerk...probably worried he was being made to look foolish in front of his client (who, to be frank, should've also appreciated the situation for what it was). It's in these instances one thinks that perhaps the council have a point in suggesting that personal trainers etc should have licences (& potentially pay) to use the commons.
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Postby dansk1234dance » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:04 am

I am also with you on this one!

I've often experienced the issue you are describing here in this playground. People are often training in the playground (the grassy bit in front) and I've also witnessed someone lying on top of the picnic table and doing sit ups!

There's a whole common to train on, why train in or around a children's playground! Beats me!

(on a side note, on sunny weekends, I've seen people (families) drinking alcohol and smoking, whilst picnicing. sigh)
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Postby meadow15 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:12 am

Adding to the last post, a friend and I and our children were at the dog free bit of Clapham Commmon on last Tues afternoon enjoying the sunshine and a picnic. It was quite busy but everyone was spaced out grabbing as much shade as they could and so it was relatively quiet and chilled out. Until.....a female personal trainer set up shop inside the child only dog free area, attached her TRX to the tree and started barking out orders to her client. It was really annoying, not so much that they were using the area but that the level of noise meant that everyone else was staring at them. Plus they were taking up a massive area of shade which normally would have been occupied by small children. The client had no kids with her so there was no reason why they should have been there. I should have said something at the time, as opposed to post it here but wondered if anyone else felt the same way, or was I having a Victor Meldrew moment!
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Postby KiwiAmanda » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:58 am

I agree with your point that this sort of boxing training shouldn’t be taking place within plain view of a playground, but being annoyed with the noise as well? While standing in a playground? Really??

I also don’t understand why you are making such a big deal about his ‘attitude’ given he did actually move. You seem to think it’s ok for you to be upset and indignant because he was disrupting you but fail recognise that you also interrupted him in the middle of a training session with a client. It’s just naive to expect that everyone is going to be immediately apologetic even in the face of Mother’s Moral High Ground.

And by exempting boxing mummies are we saying women never fight? Um, can I remind you of an incident that took place in this very Nappy Valley recently....

http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news ... ool_gates/
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Postby izzye789 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:01 pm

ho.here we go someone that does it herself if you want to box like a man go and find yourself a boxing ring like in a lesure center or somewere else parks are for people to enjoy with there kids not look at rocky marciano bashing the life out of something get a norm like.
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Postby NYE31 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:41 pm

Our local parks seem to be full of personal trainers etc barking out orders be it "fit for a princess", kettle drums etc etc.

Do they have to pay for using public places or does it mean that their overheards are virtaully nothing & if so, is this saving passed on to the paying customer?
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Postby csml » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:47 pm

I'm not a personal trainer and don't use personal trainers, but in my opinion the park is for everyone. The children have their own play area which is great, but other than that anyone can go anywhere. The park is a public space.

To the OP - Of course we (including those of us with children) should all try and show a little respect and consideration for other park users but as far as I can see this man didn't realise the effect the boxing was having on the children and did move when you asked him to. I appreciate you may feel a little riled up by the confrontation (living in London I know that feeling!) but trying to report him to the council and potentially destroy his livelihood strikes me as a little vindictive.

Plus I dont agree there should be one rule for women and one for men as to where they can box in the park. I'm a woman by the way.

And I also dont agree that a personal trainer should not be allowed in the shade as the shade should be for children. No one group of people is more entitled to shade than others.
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Postby KiwiAmanda » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:51 pm

er, what part of my post suggested I do boxing training in the park myself luvnyrick? In any case are you also suggesting all the boxing mummies go to the 'lesure(sp) center(sp)' or just the ones that disagree with you?

PS. Parks are for everyone to enjoy, not just people with kids like myself
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Postby 121personaltraining » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:27 pm

As a personal trainer who teaches lots of 121 boxing in parks, I think I can see both sides of the argument!

I would never chose an area near children to train clients as boxing training can be quite intimidating for some children and even some adults.

I can appreciate that not everyone wants to hear a burly trainer screaming 'encouragement' whilst they attempt to spend time with their family.

However, describing boxing training as a prize fight seems a bit OTT to me, and suggesting that it's ok for groups of women (but not for a couple of guys)to box and hit the pads there seems like positive descrimination to the nth degree!

If anyone was ever unsettled by me training a client, I would apologise and move to another area.

Most 'proper' boxers, kickboxers and martial artists are actually very humble people who avoid confrontation in their everyday lives - I think you were quite unlucky to meet someone who had a bit of an attitude.

Anyone who couldn't see they were causing a nuisance by boxing next to a busy playground is either selfish or 'simple' and IMO is more worthy of pity than anger.

On the subject of charging trainers to use the park, that seems a bit much.

I pay council tax (as do my clients) to use the public parks and already pay tax on my earnings... On 'common land' I feel as though my rights as an individual are well covered by common law!

I also train a small number of clients with severe problems FOR FREE - I'm yet to be approached by anyone from the council with a offer to subsidise this! Funny how these thing only seem to work one way dontcha think!

What next...council officials snooping at your laptop or tablet to see if you are 'working' from the park'?

Dog walkers, nannies and babysitters being restrained or made the victims of citizens arrests whilst their work permits are checked?

The idea of a council official doing his or her work in a park yet telling someone else they can't do the same strikes me as very '1984' or 'Brave New World'!

Anyway enough of my counter-rant! I just hope we can all respect and be considerate to each other when out in public, and remember how lucky we are to have such nice parks to enjoy AS A COMMUNITY.
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