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Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by Scottov » Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:00 am

I wonder if Guy also feels he has now “won” the argument

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by Denwand » Tue Dec 17, 2019 8:26 pm

parsleysong wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:23 pm
Guy has been screaming on here for 3.5 years from his echo chamber for a Peoples' Vote and he bloody well got one, so thank God that's all over red rover 😜 !! 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by parsleysong » Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:23 pm

Guy has been screaming on here for 3.5 years from his echo chamber for a Peoples' Vote and he bloody well got one, so thank God that's all over red rover 😜 !! 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by NVHusband » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:33 pm

Daddydaycare- couldn’t agree with you more. 

Julian- most local social media has always been apolitical and focussed on local issues. Unfortunately, users like Guy have corrupted or abused theses platforms (hence being banned\  suspended numerous time).

Time to take back control (😂) of our local media and focus on local issues. Also time for people like Guy to give the rest of us a break from Brexit....

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by juliantenniscoach » Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:13 pm

"I also feel politics* needs to be left out of all local websites like Nappyvalley."  (*National)  -  Amen.

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by daddydaycarerocks » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:57 am

Guy - maybe it’s now time you wound your neck in on all the local social media and accept that the majority of the U.K (there is life outside the London Labour/Remain bubble) do not share your views and majority are not necessarily wrong.

We are all different and everyone’s views count equally.

Brexit will not be overturned now, it’s time to come up with positives, not negatives about the countries direction.

Life is too short to be an angry person, like I feel you come across.

I also feel politics needs to be left out of all local websites like Nappyvalley.

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by Greens » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:49 pm

I voted as I try to over years. Thanks Guy. NOT HEARD ON LAST VOTE, WHY WASTE MY TIME TO GO VOTE ON AN AWFUL, COLD and rainy day. Cause I can.. and did. 
My vote was not heard last time and even if not heard this time, still its a vote. 
Always Green 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by Greens » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:45 pm

I voted as I try to over years. Thanks Guy. NOT HEARD ON LAST VOTE, WHY WASTE MY TIME TO GO VOTE ON A AWFUL, COLD and rainy day. Cause I can.. and did. 
My vote was not heard last time and even if not heard this time, still its a vote. 
Always Green 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by greengrass » Thu Dec 12, 2019 12:21 pm

GuyD73:

Strangely enough, I have had another account here for years, which I chose not to use. Given your reaction, it should be blindingly obvious as to why I didn't post under it. Some people can be very ugly when demonstrating their political views. Thank you for putting yourself up as a prime example in this regard.

Why do you want to know my favourite drinking hole, by the way? Were you planning to "pay me a visit" and have a frank and open discussion with me?

I see you challenge literally NONE of my points either. At least Starr here, though she disagrees with me, has at least been decent enough to be civil and polite, and repudiate some of the things I have said.

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by Starr » Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:01 am

Hi Greengrass,

Emma Dent Coad is far from racist. She is a very good woman and respected across Kensington from North to South. I remember when they dug this blog post up and black people who actually know Shaun Bailey and other POC agreed with her and stood by her! Shaun Bailey is just not liked in North Kensington where he grew up and has made some offensive and outrageous statements and made manoeuvres to further his career,lots of people have said this about him. He is very ambitious and aggressive and a slippery character. There is a special place among us POC for POC politicians like him, Priti Patel and Sajid Javid. Emma did apologise for the offence caused though :)

The question is where is investigation for Boris and his racist remarks? Why have the Tory party on the whole gotten away with Islamaphobia and the Windrush ordeal which is still very raw?

The UN report a few years ago said that UK poverty is spiralling out of control and that there is no safety net for people who need it starting from 2010. I am no Marxist and I accept life is unfair and unequal but we need to help people move upwards in life not down. This is damning for the Tories and shameful for the UK

I voted Green for most of my life because Tony Blair is a War criminal. But I'm voting Labour this time. I genuinely like our MP Dr Rosena and she deserves to stay.

We are free to choose now

Happy voting all

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by GuyD73 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:15 pm

Well, hey Greengrass, it's really interesting that your VERY FIRST post on this forum is a long and highly political one, at a crucial time, which seeks to conflate a number of issues and sow dischord among remain and Labour. I think you're a fake account. 

Care to tell us your favourite local pub and why? 

What do you think of your Parliamentary candidates, whatever constituency you're in?

What's your street? 

So, just to correct your opening statement, you haven't 'avoided talking on this thread', you've avoided being part of this community at all, it would seem, until just now of course. 

I smell a rat. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHwPYze5M9s  



 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by daddydaycarerocks » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:39 pm

It cost £130m of taxpayers money to take the 2016 referendum though, thats a lot of Tax to throw away having another vote
 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by greengrass » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:23 pm

 I have avoided talking on this thread, but I feel there are several points raised here I need to speak my piece on, particularly if you're coming at this from an anti-Brexit (just had to edit this from anti-EU, whoops!) point of view. Apologies, this is a little long.

1. Jeremy Corbyn’s stance on Brexit. He has been vociferously anti-EU almost his entire political life. From a voting record point of view, he's probably more anti-EU than Jacob Rees Mogg. His sudden and very recent pro-EU epiphany smacks of an opportunistic and cynical power grab as he knows the Remain contingent is very strong within his party. 

2. As others have pointed out here, and following on from point 1, Labour in general is very ambiguous on its position regards Brexit, even now. This is apparently a deliberate strategy, to appeal to all sides. It may even work, as a good-sized part (though certainly not all) of the Labour vote is tribal, and will vote for the party regardless of their Brexit stance. Evidence of very deep untrustworthiness, and it is extremely unclear which way they will land regards Brexit if they gain power.

3. Hung Parliament scenario. Jo Swinson has categorically ruled out any potential coalition with Labour in the event of this happening.  Considering how badly the Lib Dems have fared recently when it comes to coalitions, I do not believe she is bluffing. Labour may not need them though, which raises the question, who will they form a coalition with? The SNP? Their price will be very high indeed, and that’s assuming they and Labour can agree on anything which is very far from certain.

4. 2nd referendum. People didn't know what they were voting for. Do they know now? What if they vote the wrong way? Again? And if the first one was only advisory, doesn't that make the second one advisory as well? In which case, what's the point of having it?

5.  The economy. Most Remainers are appalled by Brexit, as it represents in their view an inevitable economic disaster. So it is rather odd that some of them would be prepared to vote, tactically of course, for a party which most of us can agree is populated by Marxists at the very highest level. If anyone really thinks that our economy is safe in the hands of people who openly say they want to destroy capitalism, well, good luck with that one.


6. Tolerance/inclusion. Hooh, boy, where do we start? Another criticism of Brexit was that it was born out of small minded intolerance. So if you’re someone who is disgusted by bigotry in all its forms, I find it peculiar that the current incarnation of Labour is something you would vote for. Since being founded, the Equality and Human Rights Commission to date has investigated only two political parties for institutional racism. One was the BNP. The other is Labour, for whom an investigation into anti-Semitism is ongoing, though evidence unearthed so far is pretty stomach churning. Someone here also mentioned the need to vote Labour in Kensington. I encourage you to look up what the Rt Hon Emma Dent-Coad had to say once about Shaun Bailey. Good old garden variety racism, for which she was only asked to apologise for by the leadership (the whip was not withdrawn).

The New Statesman, to their credit, has been calling Labour out for this for some time, and has withdrawn their support for the Labour party for the first time in its history. Examine that fact if you will, and while you’re at it, examine your consciences. Deeply.

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by daddydaycarerocks » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:47 pm

Exactly Julian, its voting for who you think is he 'least worst'  😩

I feel that the law of unintended consequences will come into play with vote swapping.

Vote for what YOU feel and who YOU believe in (no party is perfect), if there is no Party or Independent,  just spoil the ballot paper and send your message that way. 


But please make sure you Vote, many countries don't get the privilege we do.

 

Re: How I’m voting to Labour to Remain in Battersea and why I’ve done a tactical vote swap to help the Lib Dems.

by juliantenniscoach » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:22 pm

I'll add this - none of these leaders are worth losing friends over.

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