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Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by CallyAnna » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:40 am

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Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by Rosie1ee » Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:02 pm

Roughly from £1-2,000 I would say depending on the size?

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Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by Callymum » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:22 pm

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Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by SVK » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:49 pm

ricochernandez wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:25 am
As a party wall surveyor I'd like to offer a few pointers which may help some of you:

1. Once you've made the decision to go ahead with a project, pop over to your neighbour's house with a bottle of wine and speak to your neighbours (NO EMAILS) as soon as possible, informing them of your decision. Explain that you're putting in for planning/permitted development and you intend to notify them under the Party Wall Act (using an experienced surveyor) so that both of you are protected under it. Make them feel comfortable that you are doing your best to do everything above board and want to minimise disruption. Remember, for most people, their house is their biggest asset so building works will naturally spook them.

Where neighbours don't communicate is when problems happen and neighbours are more likely to appoint their own surveyor. Keep an open line of communication and just be transparent about it.

Almost everyday we hear "my neighbour just sent me a party wall notice and I don't know what to do" or "I've never met them and I'd like to appoint a surveyor."

Don't sit behind the screen, be proactive and be neighbourly.

2. If you are going to appoint a party wall surveyor, try and find one who belongs to a body such as the Faculty of Party Wall Surveyors or the Pyramus and Thisbe Club, so that there is some sort of code of practice that they need to abide by, and make sure you ask them how they will mitigate costs, along with any other hidden fees. If they aren't transparent, forget it. If they aren't proactive, then expect delays in your project.

3. IF your neighbour decides to appoint their own surveyor, please be aware that they have probably received a handful of letters from party wall surveyors from all over the country marketing their services. These surveyors trawl the planning portal looking for people who are carrying out building works and then write to their neighbours informing them of their rights. Because there are low barriers to entry to become a party wall surveyor, you get some good surveyors but you get other surveyors who are all about their fees and charge extortionate amounts.

Ask your neighbour to get a surveyor from a party wall body, to make sure that they're local to the project (to avoid travelling expenses), to ensure they themselves aren't liable for any fees and most importantly...GOOGLE them.

4. If your neighbour does appoint a surveyor ask your surveyor to ask that surveyor for an indication of their fees, hourly rate and how long they think they'll spend on the project. Remember, you as the building owner are only down to pay reasonable fees. To give you an idea of how important it is to keep an eye on fees, I recently asked another party wall surveyor for his fee for a single storey rear extension. He came back to me with a fee of £2,250. We challenged this with one email and he quickly reduced it to £1,110.

There is a lot more I could write but I'm rushing out of the office, but happy to respond to specific questions.

Hi ricochernandez, I appreciate you posted the advice a while ago but just wondered if you wouldn’t mind offering some advice. We have just been granted planning on our property. We did visit both our neighbours before the build, but both have gone ahead and instructed their own surveyor. One of the surveyors is a city based surveyor who has already requested several bits of information, some of which, we have objected to as irrelevant to the party wall and in particular the foundations. In respect of the fees, I have a horrid feeling the bill will be extortionate. I am expecting a big bill from both. I will request a breakdown in fees and possibly pay for what is reasonable. My question is can they pursue us for the rest of their bill? Thanks in advance

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by jenster68 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:02 am

We are having a ground floor rear extension built and have provided both our adjoining neighbours with the party wall notice.  One of the neighbours has immediately appointed a party wall surveyor (I don't know why).  The neighbour has agreed for us to share their surveyor and the surveyor has given us a fixed fee for carrying out the process up to and including the award.  My question is:  is it common practice for the party wall surveyor to divulge the fee we have agreed to our adjoining neighbour?  As the building owners, the fee is payable by us so I am not sure that is the business of the adjoining owner to know the fee that we have agreed.  However, the surveyor has now copied the adjoining owner in on an email trail between me and him within which the fees were agreed.  Any advice appreciated.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by Vernet66 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:17 pm

I am looking for people willing to talk about their experience of a party wall dispute to an audience of surveyors . Not about the neighbours but about the party wall surveyors who handled it (for good or bad). As much as I would like to be proven wrong, it seems to me that owners are sometimes treated as a commodity and the true nature of dispute resolution forgotten. If you are willing to travel to central London, please get in touch via the Party Wall Academy website.
www.thepartywallacademy.org.uk

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by davethomas99999 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:20 pm

Go to:

www.partywallsurveyorsassociation.com

They provide a full list of approved Surveyors.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by ricochernandez » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:25 am

As a party wall surveyor I'd like to offer a few pointers which may help some of you:

1. Once you've made the decision to go ahead with a project, pop over to your neighbour's house with a bottle of wine and speak to your neighbours (NO EMAILS) as soon as possible, informing them of your decision. Explain that you're putting in for planning/permitted development and you intend to notify them under the Party Wall Act (using an experienced surveyor) so that both of you are protected under it. Make them feel comfortable that you are doing your best to do everything above board and want to minimise disruption. Remember, for most people, their house is their biggest asset so building works will naturally spook them.

Where neighbours don't communicate is when problems happen and neighbours are more likely to appoint their own surveyor. Keep an open line of communication and just be transparent about it.

Almost everyday we hear "my neighbour just sent me a party wall notice and I don't know what to do" or "I've never met them and I'd like to appoint a surveyor."

Don't sit behind the screen, be proactive and be neighbourly.

2. If you are going to appoint a party wall surveyor, try and find one who belongs to a body such as the Faculty of Party Wall Surveyors or the Pyramus and Thisbe Club, so that there is some sort of code of practice that they need to abide by, and make sure you ask them how they will mitigate costs, along with any other hidden fees. If they aren't transparent, forget it. If they aren't proactive, then expect delays in your project.

3. IF your neighbour decides to appoint their own surveyor, please be aware that they have probably received a handful of letters from party wall surveyors from all over the country marketing their services. These surveyors trawl the planning portal looking for people who are carrying out building works and then write to their neighbours informing them of their rights. Because there are low barriers to entry to become a party wall surveyor, you get some good surveyors but you get other surveyors who are all about their fees and charge extortionate amounts.

Ask your neighbour to get a surveyor from a party wall body, to make sure that they're local to the project (to avoid travelling expenses), to ensure they themselves aren't liable for any fees and most importantly...GOOGLE them.

4. If your neighbour does appoint a surveyor ask your surveyor to ask that surveyor for an indication of their fees, hourly rate and how long they think they'll spend on the project. Remember, you as the building owner are only down to pay reasonable fees. To give you an idea of how important it is to keep an eye on fees, I recently asked another party wall surveyor for his fee for a single storey rear extension. He came back to me with a fee of £2,250. We challenged this with one email and he quickly reduced it to £1,110.

There is a lot more I could write but I'm rushing out of the office, but happy to respond to specific questions.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by firsttimerSW11 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:32 am

We are in a terrace and have done two refurbs on two properties. In one, all 3 properties (ie us and neighbours on both sides) used the same surveyor and it was very smooth and civilised and really cost effective (maybe £1200+VAT in total). On the other, one neighbour used the surveyor we had appointed but the other neighbour insisted on appointing his own surveyor. Luckily he didn't charge us the earth and was not one of the unscrupulous ones mentioned up thread, but I would always advise anyone ever buying a property with a view to doing a refurb to be mindful of who lives next door. If you have a house on each side which has been subdivided into 3 flats for example, you could find yourself in a situation where you are footing the bill for up to 7 different surveyors and essentially they can charge what they like. People sometimes omit to factor in more than one surveyor to their costs so you could face a very hefty bill.
Caveat Emptor and all that.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by sloaney donkey » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:06 am

I say that if you are thinking of deliberately hiring your own third party surveyor out of spite, be careful. Be very careful!

Goodwill is required on both sides.

And if you make the opening shot, you have all the building works to come afterwards.

You will find parking restrictions outside your home, builders who start bang on 8am with their angle grinders, dust blown over your backyard, migrating mice in your nice new basement conversion etc. and an owner who refuses to pay for the Rentokil brigade (that's no covered by party wall!!!).

All this could be avoided by a simple handshake and easy come, easy go mentality on both sides.

By pulling out what you think are the "big guns" and annihilating your enemy at the opening shot causes them to come back bigger and stronger later.

Golden rule in life: "Love thy neighbour and they will love you back"

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by davethomas99999 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:22 pm

These guys charged us only £695.00 + VAT

Shop around:

www.localpartywallsurveyors.com

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by MGMidget » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:58 pm

Here are couple of tricky situations to consider when agreeing to a joint surveyor. Both happened to us.

Firstly as building owner, we had a joint surveyor with our previous neighbour who wanted to hold up the works to a time that suited him better. We thought that the party wall process had a set timetable so that couldn't be done. But hey presto, when you have a single surveyor there is no way to force them to act! The party wall act has a mechanism for dealing with surveyors who sit on their bottoms and do nothing, not sticking to the timetable for preparing an award. This doesn't work when there is only a sole surveyor appointed. The sole surveyor was our neighbour's choice as the adjoining owner. We went along with that to save costs (silly us). It cost us in the end as we had to delay the builders and wait for the sole surveyor (a friend of the neighbours, we discovered) to issue the award in his own sweet time to suit our neighbour). We couldn't even use the complaints procedure of a professional body as, although he was supposedly a member of the Faculty of Party Wall Surveyors and appeared listed on their website as a member, it turned out he was not and hadn't been for a long time (e.g. a couple of years). We were advised by the faculty to call them to check if someone is a member as they (clearly) don't update their website and members list very often!

Second tricky situation happened when we were the adjoining owner. New neighbours of ours turned on the charm and of course we wanted to be accommodating and save them costs so had an agreed joint surveyor. However, we didn't bargain on the fact that they would a) ignore the surveyors requirements to safeguard our property from damp, structural movement etc and hence breach the party wall award b) that their builders were cowboys with only a mobile phone number, no address and that the neighbours left them to it and didn't check what they were doing and c) that they (with full knowledge) would allow their builders to trespass on delicate parts of our roof causing expensive damage and d) that when the party wall surveyor indicated he was investigating damage at the end of the job they would hire an army of lawyers and experts to dispute it all. Our single surveyor clearly felt this was more than he had bargained for and swiftly backed down on everything leaving us with unexplained damage that wasn't in the schedule of condition and various aspects of the build not complying with the party wall award but with no requirement for rectification. The law is such that the single agreed surveyor acts as judge, jury and everything else with no comeback on a lot of the decisions they make (e.g. if they decide there's no damage when its apparent to see!). The only opportunity you have to dispute anything is if the surveyor makes an 'award' at the end of the job but ours didn't so there was no dispute on his decisions possible and they were bizarre.

The party wall act has the concept of a 'tribunal of surveyors' so that one surveyor cannot act as a rogue or make stupid decisions. There are two others available to ensure balance, professionalism etc. This also adds credibility to decisions when there are big issues at stake such as subsidence, serious damage etc. It keeps the dispute out of the courts so the building owner saves on this expensive cost but the 'tribunal of surveyors' ensures that there isn't one individual with too much power making decisions which cannot be disputed.

So, do watch out for the flaws of using a single joint surveyor. You lose some of the safeguards when you do this. This can be very costly. We are considering a law case for negligence against the agreed surveyor and a complaint to the RICS. That is our only comeback and perceived wisdom is that it is hard to prove negligence. I'm sure if we had had two surveyors and a third surveyor to resolve disputes we would never have been in this position.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by daddydaycarerocks » Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:18 pm

As lorrwa says the party wall surveyor is working for the neighbours, not the guys that are footing the bill. Our neighbours dissented and we purposely hardly speak to them now after costing us about £3000 in fees (and there was no damage to either of their properties during the build). Option 2 is the best when the surveyor is appointed on a fixed rate basis by the guys that are paying - there are a lot of surveyors out there who will take you for a ride. If we had done that option it would have cost us about £700.

Mungomuffit - your comments are a disgrace.

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by lorrwa » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:47 pm

Warning from me about part-wall chasers!

Our neighbours wanted to do loft extension against ours, put in planning and then I got a letter from surveyors. Obvs didn't read it properly - we're not that chummy with our neighbours, no issues just they keep themselves to themselves. I assumed it was from my neighbours man and did little else. Few months later, massive bill for my neighbours, only then realised that the guy was 'acting' for us. felt sorry for the neighbours, they paid no issue - ah maybe that's why they aren't very chummy!

Re: How much should I pay a Party Wall Surveyor?

by Emma » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:37 pm

If you can get the same Party Wall surveyor to do everything then it is certainly easier and saves £s.This is what we did years ago when we did our kitchen and it was easy and painless. I think our problem is that my Party Wall Surveyor is unfortunately totally useless which has meant that the 3rd party wall surveyor has had to do far more phone calls, chasing etc... than is usual and this has cost me. No problem paying when they do a good job, but pretty miffed to be charged extra because my guy wasn't up to the job! Anyway all agreed and sorted and it will probably seem a small irritation as the build progresses...

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