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Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Star » Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:03 pm

We are higher tax payers. Still think it is stupidity to make the immigrant enemy number one in a system that fails so many. and you need to tell that statement, to the lazy Brits who have vented their frustrations on immigrants.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Motherslittlehelper » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:41 pm

The gap between rich and poor is partly about who is prepared to work hard through life and those that are not. Plenty of opportunities for everyone if you want to make it happen. Laziness will not make you rich. There has to be rewards for working hard as you have to give up your time, that could be spent with your family or on other pastimes and ask most entrepreneurs, you will at some stage take a big gamble with your money.

But the Left slanted newspapers will not report that.

Remember 27% of income tax is paid by then top 1%

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Star » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:38 pm

Star wrote: Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:26 pm I did not say I'm in favour of illegal immigrants, I simply meant that there are a lack of people in this country who are British who are willing to do certain jobs and Brexit has only exacerbated it. Not just in hospitality but agriculture, social care and the NHS.

A friend owns a restaurant and was fined last year, but she was presented with fake documents. She says since the referendum she cannot find suitable and willing staff and wants to pack it all in.
I appreciate concerns about gangs but from what I've seen illegals are simply overstayers and those working more than the 20 hours a student visa allows.

There are far more things that keep me up at night; the muggings, stabbings, moped gangs and acid attacks and these are not done by illegal immigrants. We need more police and more focus on why we have such a wide gap between rich and poor and addressing it. The government has its priorities wrong.

There was an excellent article by Gary Younge in the Guardian not this last Sunday but the Sunday before about Windrush, how his mother worked as a nurse and how immigrants have contributed so much to this country.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-windrush

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Star » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:26 pm

I did not say I'm in favour of illegal immigrants, I simply meant that there are a lack of people in this country who are British who are willing to do certain jobs and Brexit has only exacerbated it. Not just in hospitality but agriculture, social care and the NHS.

A friend owns a restaurant and was fined last year, but she was presented with fake documents. She says since the referendum she cannot find suitable and willing staff and wants to pack it all in.
I appreciate concerns about gangs but from what I've seen illegals are simply overstayers and those working more than the 20 hours a student visa allows.

There are far more things that keep me up at night; the muggings, stabbings, moped gangs and acid attacks and these are not done by illegal immigrants. We need more police and more focus on why we have such a wide gap between rich and poor and addressing it. The government has it's priorities wrong.

There was an excellent article by Gary Younge in the Guardian not this last Sunday but the Sunday before about Windrush, how his mother worked as a nurse and how immigrants have contributed so much to this country.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by sloaney donkey » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:24 pm

If people are here illegally then they should not be.

We have basic values s a society and must stick with them.

I had to pay £3,000 to get my British passport.

Why should people push in front of me.

It ain't cricket.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by JGB » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:48 pm

daddydaycarerocks wrote: Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:25 am There is a place for legal immigration, there is no place for illegal migration.


Illegal immigration is what the restaurant raid was all about, That is controlled by gangs and a world that most of us would never want to see. We need to rid our country of illegal immigrants and not take a wishy washy liberal approach to being nice to everyone.
I agree with you that no one wants the world to be run by gangs that exploit vulnerable people. I think there may actually be a misappropriation of the word 'liberal' here, which seems to have become prevalent in social media and political rhetoric, but to be clear: the term neo-liberal refers to capitalism in its purest form, that is to say the foundation upon which our economy has been functioning since Thatcher AKA - as meritocracy that disregards those unfortunate enough to be born in Doncaster or Neath where the prospects are extremely bleak. It is not actually linked to being liberal in views that benefit anyone other than corporations, elites and global trans-nationals. The term 'liberal' has come to mean anyone who exercises a modicum of kindness or compassion. This should not be confused with also wishing to uphold the law OR being weak. Liberal does not equal being weak. Being kind does not equal being weak. So I have to contest your 'wishy washy' reference as it is both incorrect and dismissive of kindness and compassion, which do not equate with weakness or blanket views, such as allowing illegal working practices. They are if anything the only values by which a society can function correctly.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by addled » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:45 am

chorister wrote: Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:07 am Sloaney Pony

Very, very well said, and brave too. And extend it to events in the common, which thousands enjoy at the occasional expense of people (like me) in our £ms houses. The clue is in the word 'common' - it means land held in common, for everyone.
Courtesy of Wikipedia:
'Originally common land for the parishes of Battersea and Clapham, it was converted to parkland under the terms of the Metropolitan Commons Act 1878.'

The act was supposed to allow councils to use rates to maintain commons, Lambeth however use ours as a cash-cow. Apologies for veering slightly off topic.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by parsleysong » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:40 pm

This is ridiculous. You can't mix up legal and illegal immigration, plus throw in a few comments about Trump and children in cages for added measure! Nor should you accuse anyone who queries immigration of being a racist, because that is just so incredibly misguided. Sorry that the raid spoiled your night out, but the police really do have to respond to tip-offs about the evil underbelly of illegal immigration and every country expects to decide who comes and goes, not the traffickers.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Motherslittlehelper » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:25 am

There is a place for legal immigration, there is no place for illegal migration.


Illegal immigration is what the restaurant raid was all about, That is controlled by gangs and a world that most of us would never want to see. We need to rid our country of illegal immigrants and not take a wishy washy liberal approach to being nice to everyone.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by muckyjeans » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:10 pm

I was kind of reeling when I wrote that post. In a post
Brexit vote, post Trump world where being anti immigration has become a vote winner, children are put in cages and Europe is having to bow to the right ( see Angela Merkel’s dilemma), it was just a stark illustration of a sea change in society. It felt like the 1970’s and as I sat watching many mixed race, mixed nationality couples walking down northcote Rd I felt glad that our kids are growing up in such a diverse city. Anti immigration is a fig leaf to racism and like it or not this country has prospered because of immigration. I don’t see the police bothering with the beggars all the way down St. John’s Rd, just those who are prepared to work for minimum wage to improve their lot.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by chorister » Tue Jun 19, 2018 8:07 am

Sloaney Pony

Very, very well said, and brave too. And extend it to events in the common, which thousands enjoy at the occasional expense of people (like me) in our £ms houses. The clue is in the word 'common' - it means land held in common, for everyone.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by sloaney donkey » Mon Jun 18, 2018 10:41 pm

It is very simple.

The great and good of nappy valley have generally done very well as part of the EU. We are a rich country and have been able to offer migrants (legal and illegal) work at a lower rate than domestically born-and bred, and raise our own standards of living. This raised our currency and made lots of jobs in financial services on which all our nice Victorian homes and nanny's incomes depend upon.

This came at the expense of other parts of the country who had to live with the strong pound and a great many years of economic decline (anybody vhere visit Margate in 2011 and find the only shops were betting shops and charity shops?). Outside of Nappy-Valley, second home in Burgundy and posh regions such as the Cotswolds it is very dire. Visit Doncaster if you ever get a chance.

What has been happening is that those marginalised and experiencing decling living standards (folk so poor they will never be able to visit somewhere like Northcote Road eateries) have risen up and voiced their disapproval and immmigration became a big issue. Successive Home Office ministers felt compelled to act. People in Margate have votes ranking park-passu with those in Nappy Valley, you know. Brexit was the pinnacle of this ill feeling.

All of Britain wants a better standard of living.

There is a lot going on here, and I think we should all be cognisant that sitting in an eatery enjoying our borgeous lifestyles on Northcote road makes us very fortunate. And we should not be quick to judge the officers, restaurant owner, other diners, politicians workers or indeed the society we live in. Taking a look a ourselves would be a better start.

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Motherslittlehelper » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:31 pm

We need to be tough on illegal immigrants and now employers face big fines, of upto £20000 per illegal (And possible jail).

It’s worth all businesses ensuring they have checked their employees

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by parsleysong » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:35 pm

Not really Star, in my experience of employing low or unskilled or differently skilled migrants, one has left, so definitely not "many". But that argument is irrelevant because this is about illegal immigration. Are you saying because we are getting out of the EU that we should open our borders to unvetted illegals? I know this is all hearsay because we don't know the facts, but in principle why would you be against the police doing their job and cracking down on illegal immigration?

Re: Immigration officers raid local restaurant

by Star » Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:14 pm

The hospitality sector has taken a battering since the referendum and restaurants are struggling to find staff. Many EU nationals are leaving, have you noticed?

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