Road rage from a local businessman

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Ippyevie
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Ippyevie » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:01 pm

BALLANTINE, I think you brought up many interesting points. I agree that at the rate of increase of cyclists, the infrastruture and motorists' attitude has been too slow to adjust. I also agree that a lot of new cyclists who are not motorists themselves are a bit clueless on how vulnerable they could be on the road - left turning vehicles etc. and how much they can endanger themselves and the others. I was one of them before and I am glad I haven't got myself in trouble in the course of 3 years being a cyclist. I agree that the education for new cyclists is a great concept. However, a test, I think, would further prevent people from cycling. And if you don't make it convenient enough then the uptake will sadly decrease, which is not what we're trying to achieve here. In other cycle-friendly countries, they don't have those tests at all. I just think it merely takes time for the infrastruture and the motorists' attitude to catch up - but at what cost?
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby tomandbobby » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:25 pm

I sometimes drive LGVs around London, I ride motorbikes and we own a Battersea tractor. I never get into conflict with other road users. Aggression breeds aggression. The company I work for has the largest fleet of construction HGVs and vans in London and if any of our drivers get into conflict with other road users whether they are in the right or not they are dismissed. They are told to lock their doors and call the police if they can not get away from a road rage incident. Under no circumstance should they get out of their vehicle to remonstrate of argue with anyone. Driving in an urban inviorment one must expect pedestrians, cyclist, people stepping out onto the road ect
Drivers have a responsibility to other more vunrable road users and I guess this is the reason one has to be a certain age to drive. A middle aged man dressed in tight leather trousers should know better and should have left the lycra bandit alone.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Pedal4Health » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:18 pm

I am pleased to say that cycling courses are available that teach children and adults how to cycle confidently on the road. The courses are called Bikeability and have replaced the old cycle proficiency test. Your local instructor can be found here www.facebook.com/pedal4health
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Discodolly » Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:26 pm

I agree with MungoMuffit - if he is like that in public .. imagine what he could be like with his employees , family and so on ... when angered .. scary stuff!! :shock:

Too many bullies get away with this type of behaviour. What a nasty nasty piece of work.

Luckily he was captured on film on this occasion.

Of course he would apologise - how could he not after having so much negative press for his business.

I feel sorry for his family and any business partners he may have.

Brew Boycotted by me & friends. ( sorry to any employees )
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby firsttimerSW11 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:59 pm

If I saw a clip of my husband behaving in this manner, I'd wonder what kind of animal I was married to. Something tells me she probably already knows.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby papagato » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:33 pm

There is a few things I don't like about the whole story....
First of all, For me the inexcusable part is the fact that the guy drove his car so close to the cyclist....clearly endangering him.
The verbal abuse itself comes from both parts, we don't hear so clearly the voice of the cyclist....and we don't see his face, we just see the brew's guy face distortedwith rage with his eyes bulging out. As someone said we also just see the part of the video the cyclist wants to show us....did something happened before?....or does the crazy guy just comes out of the blue in his car, ready to kill anybody who looks at him in a wrong way?
Then don't u think the punishment is already much too much?....social medias...including trip advisor reviews...newspaper...
What will be the cost on his company?
What will be the reactions of the other children towards his kids at school?
Wife friends employees etc.....
Nobody was hit injured or killed....in fact nothing happened.
To finish with that who is cyclist who registers in nappyvalley net just to tell us with 'sadness' of this edifying story ?
Making sure everybody living in the area wont set foot in brew anymore.
Internet does not forget, in 10 years time video, reviews, posts will still be there.

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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby papagato » Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:40 pm

Nota.....this is my first post..(apart from selling or buying a couple of things I don't talk much!) but I joined 2 years ago so I don't come from nowhere....
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Lucullus » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:56 am

papagato wrote:....did something happened before?....or does the crazy guy just comes out of the blue in his car, ready to kill anybody who looks at him in a wrong way?
Then don't u think the punishment is already much too much?....social medias...including trip advisor reviews...newspaper...
What will be the cost on his company?
What will be the reactions of the other children towards his kids at school?
Wife friends employees etc.....
Nobody was hit injured or killed....in fact nothing happened.
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While nobody was injured, I can honestly say that if I had been the cyclist in this incident, then my wife would have heard a huge amount of effing and blinding as well.

As you observed, this driving is inexcusable, full stop. It is, quite frankly, terrifying to be driven at like this.

Anyway, he's been invited for a ride by the local cycling campaign to try to help him see the issues on Priory Lane, but no-one's heard anything yet: http://www.richmondlcc.co.uk/2015/06/02 ... -mr-wells/

And regarding the response, this is probably a textbook example of how, if you want to live your life or part of it in public, then you need to think harder about your behaviour, frankly.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Denwand » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:19 am

papagato wrote: To finish with that who is cyclist who registers in nappyvalley net just to tell us with 'sadness' of this edifying story ?
Making sure everybody living in the area wont set foot in brew anymore.
Internet does not forget, in 10 years time video, reviews, posts will still be there.

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Yes Papagoto that was my point - the original poster "Cyclist" has long since vanished from the forum (as I suspected they are a "one issue" fanatic) and only responded here to re-fan the flames of indignation.

Yes the driver was in the wrong but this witch hunt based on cone-sided evidence of an edited video supplied by the cyclist saddens me - are the Nappyvalleyers so gullible? Can't they see they are being manipulated by the "Cycle Taliban"???

Enough is enough
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby juliantenniscoach » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:12 am

Cycle Taliban? Yesterday at the Morden one way I'm on my bicycle. Correctly positioned on the inside of two lanes at a red light. Immediately as the lights change and I pull away, someone behind me is on horn repeatedly.

I look round and a guy in a Rolls Royce is centimetres away from me gesturing for me to move out the way. This continues on through the one way system until he passes me and gives me the "hand relief" signal. So I blew him a kiss instead.

He hits me - I get hurt. I hit him - His paint gets scratched. Who's the Taliban now?
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Denwand » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:22 am

juliantenniscoach wrote:Cycle Taliban? Yesterday at the Morden one way I'm on my bicycle. Correctly positioned on the inside of two lanes at a red light. Immediately as the lights change and I pull away, someone behind me is on horn repeatedly.

I look round and a guy in a Rolls Royce is centimetres away from me gesturing for me to move out the way. This continues on through the one way system until he passes me and gives me the "hand relief" signal. So I blew him a kiss instead.

He hits me - I get hurt. I hit him - His paint gets scratched. Who's the Taliban now?
Oh Julian ... really!

we could sit here all day relating "van cut me up here" and "cyclist nearly knocked a 2 year old over by ignoring red light" stories all day.

That is not the point.

The original poster has a bee in his bonnet like another poster on here who only posts to advertise yet another petition to bring in 20mph zones every where (including 40mph trunk routes such as the A3) ) and closing roads throughout NV to all traffic unless it's pedal powered - that's the "Cycling Taliban"
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:26 am

The OP had a motivation for posting here. But nowhere do I read anything like you are suggesting. Your position is just as polemic as the 'Cycle Taliban' whoever they might be.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Davinao » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:56 am

I think it might be wise idea if those posting here and encouraging a boycott of Brew had a brief pause to reflect on their own very worst emotional outbursts. Now imagine that your entire workplace were allowed to determine the future of your career (or role as a parent) based on that one hideous and probably a typical moment. His behaviour whilst appalling happened in isolation from his work and to set out to damage a person's livelihood because he lost the head in a road rage incident is - in my view - utterly wrong. He has been filmed and outed in a way most of us aren't when we are at our very worst.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby juliantenniscoach » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:01 am

Davinao wrote:I think it might be wise idea if those posting here and encouraging a boycott of Brew had a brief pause to reflect on their own very worst emotional outbursts. Now imagine that your entire workplace were allowed to determine the future of your career (or role as a parent) based on that one hideous and probably a typical moment. His behaviour whilst appalling happened in isolation from his work and to set out to damage a person's livelihood because he lost the head in a road rage incident is - in my view - utterly wrong. He has been filmed and outed in a way most of us aren't when we are at our very worst.
Agree with that. I think Tomandbobby's post is one to follow too. Good advice.
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Re: Road rage from a local businessman

Postby Cyclist » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:17 am

Hi All
I wanted to drop back in to explain my motivation for the original post.

Also to clarify, I am a very regular user of this site but used a separate identity for the post for this very reason.

It's worth restating my original motivation for the post.

EVERY time I get on my bike to commute to work I am cut up and harassed by motorists. Not most times, or some times but every time.

Some times that harassment is just stupid people driving and texting and not seeing me, so it's passive aggression.

Some times if deliberate and pro-active because they feel we're holding them up.

For those that aren't cyclists it is hard to explain the fear that a near miss can generate. After all, people die on a regular basis on our roads and I've sat in traffic on my bicycle with tears running down my face as a lorry sits on top of someones crushed bike (Ludgate Circus). I've attached a photo below but for this particular accident I was about five minutes behind and could see the remains and the crushed bike under the rear wheels.

When you're exposed to that and see that destruction, ones tolerance for people who use their cars as weapons is zero.

Frankly I don't care if he loses his business or not, but I do care that this year we've had far too many cycling deaths already

http://www.london24.com/news/cycling

I have a zero tolerance approach to this and feel that one often needs this to effect change when prejudice is so deep rooted.

If one cyclist's life is saved because an aggressive foul mouthed yob in a 4x4 thinks twice before deliberating driving into a cyclist then the loss of the Brew cafe chain will have been very good value indeed.
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