Northcote road library to close?

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Northcote road library to close?

Postby Buddybear » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:13 pm

Just had a leaflet from Wandsworth council which is proposing to close the current Northcote Road library and sell and convert into 17 homes plus retail space.

In this plan, Chatham Hall will be demolished and rebuilt with a new library space (am guessing it would be considerably smaller?) and a new community hall.
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby mealsonwheels » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:08 pm

Yes, it's true.......

Please see the local residents' flyer with all the information. Here is also a petition to sign. We appreciate your support.

https://www.change.org/p/wandsworth-cou ... m=copylink

Here's to updating our beloved current library, with no disruption, new chairs, a coffee kiosk etc.
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby Buddybear » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:52 pm

why don't wandsworth council build a shop's width of new development next to the new chicken shop and use the proceeds to refurbish the current library instead of knowcking down Chatham Hall??
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby Goldhawk » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:45 pm

The current library isn't fit for purpose and it's a brutalist monstrosity imho

I'm guessing the pic in your flyer features the proposal for Chatham Hall but it's not that clear
The neighbouring buildings (to the existing library) on Chatham Rd are 4 storeys tall already

The petition - "pressure on school catchment areas and parking" - really? London needs more housing. Increasing the density of existing development is a better option than building on green spaces

I'd be happy to sign a petition that stops the council selling off land/buildings to private developers/owners.

I thought the old bookseller/community bookshop people were in favour of the redevelopment when it was first proposed???
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby Goldhawk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:48 am

http://www.nappyvalleynet.com/mums/view ... 15&t=60442
Link includes previous comment from the council
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Postby mealsonwheels » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:37 am

The community were in favour of a bookshop within the library, not a tiny new library to make room of all these flats. On the site, the library will be approx 30% worth of the land.

The Council haven't commented on anything about a new book shop, which may be a small stand in the new library, but who knows. As a local resident, the general feeling in the neighbouring houses is absolute horror at all these plans and proposals. Yes the surrounding houses are 4 storeys but this will be at least 3 storeys and take away all the light from the surrounding houses which don't have another garden before the huge brick wall they propose to build. People living in the downstairs flats will loose ALL their light, especially in the Winter. Most Victorian houses in the area have at least 2 garden lengths before the next house. I visited a local estate agent, who will remain un-named, who was horrified by the proposals and he said it was totally out of keeping with the area.

Please read the Chatham Road Flyer for more details on how it will affect everyone in the neighbourhood, not just the surrounding houses.

You say it's a brutalist monstrosity, but the new plans look like the London underground, so not better visually. Take Battersea Power station for example, not pretty but iconic. If you appreciate architecture, you can see the retro beauty of the current one.

Anyway, it will take away a children's playground and a nursery that's been there for 27 odd years. It's not right. I urge people to sign the petition. We would like the current library updated.
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby Goldhawk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:20 am

I wasn't clear in my post. I think the library would benefit from redevelopment on it's existing site and I think adding a storey would be fine there given the surrounding buildings

Chatham Hall - is it in need of redevelopment? I've not been in for a number of years but it seemed to be a functional community hall
I would agree that any development there needs to be two-three storeys max to fit in with the other buildings
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Postby hellokittyerw » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:11 am

Aestethics aside - do we really need more flats in the area, when the services provided by the council are already insufficient??
By services I mean:
- state schools - the catchment areas for the 2 local schools (Honeywell and Belleville) are already so small, that quite a lot of people BTC do not get in
- nurseries - I am not even talking about the state funded ones, which are quite few.. but even the private ones are oversubscribed and you need to put your name down soon after birth! On this topic, Chatham Hall currently houses a very good nursery, Alphabet - where will this be relocated? Or will it close down?
- parking - id' say residents parking is already at capacity

And of course during the construction phase there will be huge disruptions in an area full of young children...

The current Northcote library (on the current site) could be modernised, I agree, but not at the price of building yet more flats!

Chatham hall is one of the few community areas around, so I think that space needs to remain in the public domain. I'd be in favour of redeveloping it to provide more space for a nursery/school/community hall - but not new flats!
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby Goldhawk » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:50 am

Here is the previous thread discussing the proposals
http://www.nappyvalleynet.com/mums/view ... 71#p198371

Link to the proposals
http://www.northcotelibrary.co.uk/

info from the council
http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/news/artic ... te_library

The new flats will be "car free" so the parking argument doesn't work
A new community space to replace Chatham Hall is included in the plans
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby supergirl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:53 pm

Yes London needs more housing but AFFORDABLE housing. Anyone think that those potentially new flats will be affordable to people working in the services economy? Or for people earning minimum wages and / or on benefits/tax credits? And all those in between?
I shouldnt think so.

Also what is the point of building more housings if they dont improve and upgrade the:
Water pressure
School places: primary and secondary
Roads
Parks and playground facilities
NHS
Rubbish collections
And many more.

London is a VERY dense city. Since it is domehow accepted to commute in cattle trains, do they expect us to live in overstretched capacities as well?

If you dont want to then the only way is to tell the council and your MP by NOT voting for them next time.

But everybody complains on overstretch services yet when it comes to council the same wpuld refuse to pay. I believe you get what you pay gor.

Wandsworth Council's goal is to make quick few bucks at the expense of the quality of life: look at the Homebase redevelopment proposal. Same rushed plans to get the profits in quickly.

Shame.
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby papinian » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:20 pm

supergirl: Your post is a reflection of the very poor level of economic education that so many posters here exhibit.

The price of housing is, fundamentally, determined by supply and demand. Of course there are all sorts of other factors but ultimately, in the long run, it is supply and demand.

More housing supply should, in general, result in a lower price of housing than would be the case in the absence of such supply.

Low paid people do not have some special right to affordable housing. Well paid people are also entitled to housing. And if the amount of housing stock doesn't go up then low paid people are also going to lose out because the well paid people will still be accessing the existing housing stock ahead of the low paid.

We've had 20 years of the government faffing about with the housing market, having special rules for "key workers", having massive percentages of new housing being required to be "affordable" (i.e. subsidised by those who buy the remaining housing at full whack), and, like most government intervention, all it has done is push up the price of housing.

There are lots of schools in Wandsworth with empty places. There is one primary school with half its places empty. Every new apartment or house is more council tax. In fact, those living in those new apartments and houses will be paying a lot more in council tax than those living in council housing do.

There is a very large percentage of our community that is on the welfare wagon, living lives of continual subsidisation by the hard-working taxpayer. If that part of the community were put to work then there would be a lot more money for services.

I'm tired of seeing hard-working people described as selfish for wanting to keep more of the money that they earn, but never seeing described as selfish those who don't work hard enough to be net contributors to the tax/spending.
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Postby supergirl » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:38 pm

I apologise for my lack of economical education ( :lol: ) and that of other posters - must be hard for you ;)

I agree about the supply and demand but then this is where I have different views.
I am French and I vote centre to the left (here I would be more lib dem) and I believe in a welfare state for those who have fallen off the wagon, are incapacitated either by illness or accident, those who are working 3 jobs (the uber driver I talked to last week), those who are working on 0 hours contract or long shifts for minimum wages and yes for those too whose aspirations and ambitions have never been developed or have been crunched because of one thing or another.

So yes whilst I understand your views, I wouldn't object if our council taxes were raised to service the community.

Also I would like to know which school you are talking about (I know of a few who are not at capacity). I am sure that it has many reasons and receive a lot of support from the LA but I also think that the school unfortunately is not located in one of the affluent pocket of WW.

Anyway, back to the OP as this is what the thread is about. All I wanted to say is that there are pressure on the existing services and building housing on overstretched capacities is not going to help.
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Re: Northcote road library to close?

Postby hellokittyerw » Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:45 pm

papinian - I think you are off topic here, this post is about northcote library and chatham hall.
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Postby papinian » Thu Feb 02, 2017 3:07 pm

hellokittyerw wrote:papinian - I think you are off topic here, this post is about northcote library and chatham hall.
No, I'm not off topic, I'm answering the point that you made in YOUR earlier post re the services provided by the council being already insufficient.
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Postby Wandsworth Council » Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:06 am

Here is some further information about what is being proposed. It is perhaps worth stressing that this is a very early stage consultation. There are no concrete plans and no planning application. What is important now is listening to the views of local people and hearing what they have to say about the possibility of a new replacement library and community hall being provided in Northcote Road, along with new homes and some retail units.

Below is the official council announcement about what is being considered.

Plans unveiled for a bigger and better Northcote Library

Residents living in and around Northcote Road in Battersea are being asked for their views on plans to build a bigger and better library and replacement community hall in their neighbourhood.

The council is currently holding an informal, preliminary stage consultation on proposals that could eventually see the existing Northcote Library replaced with a larger, better facility offering a wider range of library and community services just a stone’s throw away.

The plans would see a modern three storey library incorporating an exciting children’s library complete with buggy parking space, enlarged study accommodation, self serve kiosks for book loans, upgraded computer and digital learning areas and a coffee and drinks outlet next to the section containing newspapers, magazine and periodicals.

This new library would be built almost directly opposite the existing one on land currently occupied by council-owned garages at Staplehurst Court and Chatham Hall.

The development would also include community space to replace that currently offered at Chatham Hall and introduce a new business suite on its second floor offering small local businesses state-of-the-art communications technologies, adaptable work spaces and meeting rooms for hire.

If the plans were to proceed the current library would remain fully open to the public until the new one is ready to open its doors.

The council’s community services spokesman Cllr Jonathan Cook said: “We are holding these informal and very early stage discussions with local people to gauge the level of support for these plans.

“We have arranged some drop-in sessions at Northcote Library in the coming days and weeks so that residents can find out more about these proposals and then tell us what they think.

“Our intention is to provide a fantastic brand new modern library with a much greater range of services than is possible in the existing library building.

“The current library was built in 1969 and by today’s standards, is terribly inefficient in its use of space and its layout. At a time when demand for library services is growing, we want to improve and expand the facilities to better meet the meet the needs of local people.”

The cost of building the new library would be met by also constructing and selling 17 residential units spread across both sites. This would mean that local council tax payers would not have to pay a penny towards their new library.

Nine flats would be built as part of the new library development while another eight, plus retail space for two shops, would be provided on the existing library site.

Cllr Cook added: “This is a sensible and cost effective use of the council’s property portfolio. It means we can provide much needed new homes for Londoners plus a modern new library without having to raise council tax.

“At a time when many councils in London and elsewhere are closing down libraries and curtailing library services to save money we are looking to expand and improve our provision to give our residents a bigger and better Northcote library that’s fit for the 21st century.”

The current library building’s flaws include restricted access to its first floor children’s library, no room to safely and securely store buggies, no space to provide computer access on the ground floor, obsolete and inflexible shelving which does not make the best use of the available space, the building is poorly ventilated and lacking natural light and inadequate toilet and baby changing facilities.

The new residential accommodation will be car free as the area already boasts good transport links. This means people who move into these properties will not be eligible to buy parking permits so as not to add pressure on existing parking provision.

Information leaflets outlining the proposals are to be distributed throughout the area and there will be information boards installed at Northcote Library until Sunday, March 5

Drop-in sessions are also being held at the library giving local residents the chance to ask questions face-to-face. These sessions will be held on the following date and times

• Thursday, February 9 between 5pm and 8pm
• Saturday, February 11 from 10am to 2pm
• Wednesday, February 22, 5pm to 8pm
• Saturday, February 25 between 10am and 2pm.

Residents who cannot attend these drop-in sessions can call (020) 7566 6463 to find out more or email info@northcotelibrary.co.uk. Information is also available at http://www.northcotelibrary.co.uk.

• The popularity of Wandsworth’s library service – and the need to keep pace with the needs of local residents - was highlighted by recent figures which showed that last year was another record year for local libraries with the largest number of book issues in the capital.

The figures from public service accountancy body CIPFA show that in 2015/2016, Wandsworth residents were London’s most dedicated library users, borrowing more than 1.4m books.

Service improvements and branch upgrades have been key to this success.

Earlsfield Library has been completely redecorated, Battersea Library has been upgraded and the children’s library at Tooting has been completely refurbished. Work has now started on a brand new Wandsworth Town library while plans are being drawn up to replace another two branches at York Gardens and Roehampton with new state-of-the-art buildings offering a wider range of services.

There has also been investment in new e-resources and software, new systems to help people get the latest books as quickly and easily as possible. Link-ups with other organisations including Citizens Advice Wandsworth have enabled people to access other public services in their local branch.
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