I have a meeting with our MP this evening - would anyone like me to ask a Brexit question on their behalf?

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Postby GuyD73 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:45 am

This is the first time I've done this and I understand you only get 15 minutes, but given the governments ill-advised pursuit of Brexit and the Labour leadership's entirely dishonest position on it (they keep claiming as possible, things that the EU have repeatedly ruled out), I feel I've got to do whatever I can.

There is absolutely no way that any Brexit deal can deliver the 'exact same benefits' as our current membership of the single market, so you'd think it would definitely fail Labour's six tests wouldn't you?

What's worrying is when you have Emily Thornberry saying the party would 'probably' support any Brexit deal that govt reaches in the autumn because it'll all still be so vague. This is a ridiculous position and simply not good enough. It is encouraging however, that Starmer is furious and saying 'it's not the position', let's not pretend that the party are in any way united on the issue, quite the reverse.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... rexit-deal

Curious as to what everyone on here thinks about the recent revelations about Cambridge Analytica and Aggregate IQ? It strikes me there is clear and compelling evidence of collusion between Be leave and Vote leave, in breach of electoral law. I suspect there are many like me, who feel this renders the vote completely illegitimate and means giving the electorate a final 'vote on the deal' is imperative.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... says-wylie

For anyone frustrated with both Labour and the tories, there's a party standing candidates all over Wandsworth at the local elections in May, on a pro-EU, anti-brexit, final say platform called Renew Britain https://renewbritain.org/ I'll definitely be voting for them, please join me in sending a message to our MP that the people need to be consulted further...

I welcome intelligent responses but if we could have no silly 'you lost, get over it' comments, that would be super!
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Postby SW12Pops » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:49 am

Can it be stopped.

That's all I want to know.
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Postby the parsley song » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:11 pm

Lucky MP :?

"I welcome intelligent responses but..."

i.e., you are just repeating from your previous threads that you can't cope with any responses you don't agree with. There is a word for that and it starts with "F". You've accused me of being racist and belonging to a fascist group when I haven't agreed with you - you are a nutcase. Can't you spread your message on your own website rather than trying to dominate this one with your massive rants? :roll:
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Postby GuyD73 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:56 pm

No Parsley Song, let's be accurate shall we? I didn't accuse you of belonging to any group, here's what I ACTUALLY said.

Apart from perhaps to say, wouldn't you be happier living in the shires somewhere with Nigel Farage and that charming Jayda Thingamy from Britain First as your neighbours? I think our lovely diverse, open, tolerant, community would probably prefer that too.

the thread's here viewtopic.php?f=46&t=94131&p=219023&hil ... on#p219023

Not the same is it? So, you're lying aren't you? Rather sad and pathetic and you've been rumbled again. I'm not sure why you even bother with your silly personal attacks on me. You get owned in every single exchange (I'm not bragging, it's really not difficult), or you get told off by the other sensible members of this group who don't want this forum infected by your unwarranted unpleasantness.

As I've said before, I get lots of private messages of support on this group and you appear to be the only one who thinks I'm a lunatic, so what does that tell you?

I have to admit though, despite your toxic manner, I do feel very sorry for you. It can't be fun being as hateful and bitter about everything as you seem to be, so you have my deepest sympathy.

Please do carry on with with the personal attacks and vendetta though, if you keep infecting this forum with your hatred, you can't be far off a ban, and I suspect many people on this site would consider it a much nicer place without you. Hope you get the help you need :D
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Postby the parsley song » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:06 pm

Guy Dorrell -you are a TOTAL BULLY and can't accept that our lovely diverse nation has voted to leave the un-democratic "union" and you can't accept the diverse views. You are a bully and cannot accept different opinions.

I'm just one of millions of people who have voted to leave and not for any of the crazy reasons you have accused me and my family. You are disgusting to say this to us:

"wouldn't you be happier living in the shires somewhere with Nigel Farage and that charming Jayda Thingamy from Britain First as your neighbours? I think our lovely diverse, open, tolerant, community would probably prefer that too."

You post when you are drunk, Guy. You are not even a Londoner - you come from the Shires whereas we don't as I'm a foreigner and don't even know what shires means.

Get help with your boozing Guy .
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Postby Sea Hibiscus » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:44 pm

Guy: are those your (lovely) children?

Please stop posting pictures of them on a public forum. It honestly disturbs me when people post pictures, particularly of young children, of minors online. You do realise that these pictures can used by anyone, don't you?

Please also bear in mind, that by posting pictures of children, (however well meaning), you rob them of their right to anonymity before they're of an age to decide for themselves what they want posted about them online.

I am certain I've seen posts where you attached their pictures before, and I just think you should reconsider, even if it is to illustrate your point.
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Postby the parsley song » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:01 pm

He doesn't care about the photos of his children - it's been raised before as an issue on his posts.
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Postby GuyD73 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:28 pm

Oh Parsley Song, you’re losing your s**t a bit aren’t you my dear?

I notice you don’t respond to any of my points and that’s generally because YOU ARE A LIAR, and an unhinged one at that.

I didn’t accuse you of belonging to anything did I? The quote clearly shows it no? please answer…for once?

I’m NOT a bully and any right-minded person will see that you are ALWAYS the aggressor in these threads, I simply robustly defend myself when attacked.

Oh and FYI, I am a Londoner, I was born at Queen Mary’s in Roehampton and went to primary school in Barnes, while educated in Kent and Sussex I lived back in London for much of my teens and have lived here ever since uni. You know NOTHING about me you weird, bitter old hag, so don’t pretend to.

And I’m not drunk btw, just sick of your toxic presence on this site. Oh and you can ‘raise issues’ as much as you like, what I do with pictures of my children is my choice and again FA to do with you.

Having said that, I genuinely appreciate your concern Sea Hibiscus, I accept your comment in the spirit in which it was offered.

How sad, yet again, perfectly sensible thread turned toxic by Parsley Song - shame
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Postby BrianP » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:06 pm

I'm afraid it's garbage like this that makes me wonder whether freedom of speech is all it's cracked up to be. Should there not be any rules about personal abuse on this site?
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Postby Sea Hibiscus » Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:45 pm

You can always ignore certain posts, and, or report them.

Freedom of speech is a human right. Perhaps some people would prefer North Korea or China?

I don't agree with Guy's stance in general, however, I respect his right to express his views. He is a human being with an inherent right to express his mind.

Freedom of speech can, and sometimes does offend; intentionally or unintentionally. That does not make this human right invalid. If you want a better world: be that change you want to see. That is what I teach my children.

Guy, don't engage someone who name calls: report them (or ignore them). We all know the Internet is full of those who write what they wouldn't say, for fear of reprisal...
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Postby chorister » Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:55 pm

Well I'm a fully paid up Remainiac, but if this is the quality of the advocacy on our side then I'm not surprised the other side is winning.
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Postby GuyD73 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:38 am

Sea Hibiscus, admin is aware of the trolling and I dare say will intervene if she feels it necessary. Chorister, it’s very easy to be critical, if you’re such a Remainiac then perhaps you can point us towards an example of your own advocacy that you’d consider superior or more effective?
And Brian, I couldn’t agree more, PS’s inane personal attacks are tedious in the extreme and regularly lower the tone of many threads. I confess to sometimes allowing them to rile me and robustly responding to them, which isn’t terribly edifying, but it’s also a fairly human response to aggression, so I make no apologies.

That silliness aside, some of you might actually be interested in what Marsha de Cordova had to say.
It’s fair to say that there’s almost as much division within Labour on Brexshit as there is within the tories, as evidenced by Owen Smith’s sacking last weekend, and that Corbyn’s ambiguity is somewhat dishonestly trying to keep both remain and leave voters onside. I am no Corbyn fan btw and voted tory in 2010 and 2015.
However, in respect of Emily Thornberry’s ill-judged remarks, Marsha was clearly as frustrated as others in her party and said that she was firmly with Keir Starmer on the six tests and that KS had moved quickly to disavow Thornberry’s remarks. She also said she was deeply concerned at the revelations around Cambridge Analytica and Aggregate IQ and that the evidence of collusion between Be Leave and Vote Leave might have major implications for the legitimacy of the EU Ref result.
This gives me (and should give any ardent remainer) heart. There’s no way any Brexit deal will deliver exactly ‘the same benefits’ as our membership of the single market and customs union. Government’s own forecasts make us all poorer in any Brexit scenario, so on that basis, Labour will inevitably oppose it.
Then it’s a matter of Parliamentary arithmetic – you might get Brexit fans Hoey and Field voting with the govt, but will there be a sufficient number of tory rebels to defeat the bill?
Also an awful lot might happen between now and then; if criminal prosecutions are brought over the electoral fraud then who knows where we might be?
My point, and the reason I post on here and put up with the endless crap from the likes of PS, is that it’s far from a done deal, not over by a long chalk. Electoral Commission investigations are ongoing, other legal challenges (such as that on the rights of European citizens being brought in the European court by Jolyon Maughan QC - worth following on twitter https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham ) are also progressing. There appear to be more and more people changing their minds (#remainernow) now it’s obvious there won’t be any more money for the NHS, there will be less and with each day that passes, the demographics of the UK favour remain.
It’s hard to refute this truth - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 78146.html - careful though, it’s academics that think this, you know, pretty smart people, professors and the like, so perhaps don’t read it if you’ve ‘had enough of experts’.
So don’t give up Remainiacs. Keep sharing the courageous journalism of the likes of Carole Cadwalladr https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla exposing the links between Trump, Brexit, Farage, Banks, Vote Leave, dark money and Russia. Keep marching, get a t-shirt, a flag, some stickers https://www.euflagmafia.com/100_Bollock ... 31967.aspx
But most importantly, write or better still meet with your MP, tweet at them and let them know you think the British electorate deserve a final say. In Battersea and parts of Wandsworth it’s Marsha marsha.decordova.mp@parliament.uk but if in Putney, go and talk to Justine Greening (might be more inclined to vote against govt now ), in Wimbledon, book an appointment with the ‘mutineer’ that’s Stephen Hammond. DO IT!
This, contrary to what Brexiters will try and tell you, is democracy. It didn’t end with an ill-formed vote dominated by lies in 2016, it’s an ongoing process and we fight on.
Very encouraging too that a number of anti-brexit groups, Open Britain, the European Movement, Britain for Europe, Scientists for EU, Healthier IN the EU, OFOC (our future our choice – a youth group) are now coordinating more effectively and sharing offices
http://www.europeanmovement.co.uk/shared_headquarters
While I will still vote Renew Britain in May because I think it’s the clearest way to oppose Brexit, it is some comfort to know that our MP is not mindlessly following the Labour leadership and is conscious of the need to represent the 75%+ of this constituency that voted remain. FWIW she’s a very personable and charming lady too.
https://twitter.com/Renew_Britain You can follow renew on Twitter and many of you will get a leaflet through your door soon.
Here’s a petition remainers might like to declare the vote null and void, please share it on your FB timelines or to local fb groups https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205332
That's all on this thread from me, hope you all have a lovely Easter!
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Postby the parsley song » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:42 pm

You are a troll Guy and you know it. You cannot, CANNOT go around accusing people of being racist and belonging to nazi organisations because they voted differently to you in the referendum. It is clear trolling to take the fact of how someone voted and turn it into a nasty and hate (booze)-fulled fantasy without any evidence. Were you expecting me to take that on the chin? I'm calling you out on this and will continue to do so.

BTW, don't call a woman "my dear" you patronising and sexist little sh*t.

"Admin is aware" of you too and I have had DMs of support.

Happy Easter
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Postby GuyD73 » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:20 pm

My god you’re beyond ridiculous. Please quote where I have acccused you of belonging to anything. You can’t Ibecause it’s not there is it? I repeated what I said in an earlier post, so you are simply a LIAR, and I suspect many on this site pity you for your seemingly constant ant bitterness. Stop. Lying. Everyone can see you are LYING. Do keep it up though and i’m sure you’ll get banned eventually :) interesting how all your support is private, I have had people on several occasions come out and support me publicly, never seen that for you. :D :D :D I win, AGAIN 8-)
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Postby chorister » Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:25 pm

OK I'll answer - I think all the lobbying, writing to MPs, to the press etc is exactly the right way to go about it, but forget the legal / fraud / illegitimate / lying campaign arguments. This a political, not a legal, issue.

The only legitimate way to overturn it is for there to be a clear change of mind among the electorate (and there is no real evidence of that at the moment) and another referendum with a decisive vote to Remain. Simply throwing it out in parliament will just sow further division and prolong the argument and widen the gap between the voters and 'the elite'.

The first step is to get the transition period implemented by away of an extension of the Article 50 period, which makes sense for two reasons, Firstly, the transition is more or less a standstill anyway, so that is a completely rational way of doing it. And secondly there is a huge issue around the 700 or so international third party agreements to which the UK is a party by virtue of being in the EU; we lose all of those as soon as we legally cease to be a member eg the current tricky negotiations with the USA over replacing the EU / US Open Skies agreement.

So break the problem down into pieces. First campaign for an extension of Article 50 by 2 / 3 years to buy time for a change of heart, then take it from there.