Sea Hibiscus, admin is aware of the trolling and I dare say will intervene if she feels it necessary. Chorister, it’s very easy to be critical, if you’re such a Remainiac then perhaps you can point us towards an example of your own advocacy that you’d consider superior or more effective?
And Brian, I couldn’t agree more, PS’s inane personal attacks are tedious in the extreme and regularly lower the tone of many threads. I confess to sometimes allowing them to rile me and robustly responding to them, which isn’t terribly edifying, but it’s also a fairly human response to aggression, so I make no apologies.
That silliness aside, some of you might actually be interested in what Marsha de Cordova had to say.
It’s fair to say that there’s almost as much division within Labour on Brexshit as there is within the tories, as evidenced by Owen Smith’s sacking last weekend, and that Corbyn’s ambiguity is somewhat dishonestly trying to keep both remain and leave voters onside. I am no Corbyn fan btw and voted tory in 2010 and 2015.
However, in respect of Emily Thornberry’s ill-judged remarks, Marsha was clearly as frustrated as others in her party and said that she was firmly with Keir Starmer on the six tests and that KS had moved quickly to disavow Thornberry’s remarks. She also said she was deeply concerned at the revelations around Cambridge Analytica and Aggregate IQ and that the evidence of collusion between Be Leave and Vote Leave might have major implications for the legitimacy of the EU Ref result.
This gives me (and should give any ardent remainer) heart. There’s no way any Brexit deal will deliver exactly ‘the same benefits’ as our membership of the single market and customs union. Government’s own forecasts make us all poorer in any Brexit scenario, so on that basis, Labour will inevitably oppose it.
Then it’s a matter of Parliamentary arithmetic – you might get Brexit fans Hoey and Field voting with the govt, but will there be a sufficient number of tory rebels to defeat the bill?
Also an awful lot might happen between now and then; if criminal prosecutions are brought over the electoral fraud then who knows where we might be?
My point, and the reason I post on here and put up with the endless crap from the likes of PS, is that it’s far from a done deal, not over by a long chalk. Electoral Commission investigations are ongoing, other legal challenges (such as that on the rights of European citizens being brought in the European court by Jolyon Maughan QC - worth following on twitter https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham
) are also progressing. There appear to be more and more people changing their minds (#remainernow) now it’s obvious there won’t be any more money for the NHS, there will be less and with each day that passes, the demographics of the UK favour remain.
It’s hard to refute this truth - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 78146.html
- careful though, it’s academics that think this, you know, pretty smart people, professors and the like, so perhaps don’t read it if you’ve ‘had enough of experts’.
So don’t give up Remainiacs. Keep sharing the courageous journalism of the likes of Carole Cadwalladr https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla
exposing the links between Trump, Brexit, Farage, Banks, Vote Leave, dark money and Russia. Keep marching, get a t-shirt, a flag, some stickers https://www.euflagmafia.com/100_Bollock ... 31967.aspx
But most importantly, write or better still meet with your MP, tweet at them and let them know you think the British electorate deserve a final say. In Battersea and parts of Wandsworth it’s Marsha firstname.lastname@example.org
but if in Putney, go and talk to Justine Greening (might be more inclined to vote against govt now ), in Wimbledon, book an appointment with the ‘mutineer’ that’s Stephen Hammond. DO IT!
This, contrary to what Brexiters will try and tell you, is democracy. It didn’t end with an ill-formed vote dominated by lies in 2016, it’s an ongoing process and we fight on.
Very encouraging too that a number of anti-brexit groups, Open Britain, the European Movement, Britain for Europe, Scientists for EU, Healthier IN the EU, OFOC (our future our choice – a youth group) are now coordinating more effectively and sharing offices
While I will still vote Renew Britain in May because I think it’s the clearest way to oppose Brexit, it is some comfort to know that our MP is not mindlessly following the Labour leadership and is conscious of the need to represent the 75%+ of this constituency that voted remain. FWIW she’s a very personable and charming lady too.
You can follow renew on Twitter and many of you will get a leaflet through your door soon.
Here’s a petition remainers might like to declare the vote null and void, please share it on your FB timelines or to local fb groups https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205332
That's all on this thread from me, hope you all have a lovely Easter!