Please sign and share this petition to revoke article 50 and remain - nearly at 1m signatures!

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Postby juliantenniscoach » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:19 pm

I can’t find any political commentary that believes Article 50 will be revoked before a referendum. Even the fiercely pro-EU, Financial Times puts it as unlikely.

With Corbyn being a Brexiteer it makes things very complicated to say the least.
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Postby chorister » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:27 pm

No political commentary predicted the current shambles either.  Politics is the art of the possible (which Theresa may either never knew or has fogotten) and as the options narrow anything can happen.  Revoking with a promise of another referendum would provide quite a lot of political cover.

And to understand just how utterly appalling this has all got watch the last few minutes of Anna Soubry's interview with Cathy Newman on C4 News a few minutes ago.
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:43 pm

The European court stated that the uK Parliament could revoke Article 50 without referring to the other member states provided it complied to its normal democratic standards.

However one of the conditions was that it could not be used for the purpose of delay. It seems pretty clear that it cannot be revoked in order to have a referendum. It can obviously but revoked after a referendum but how we get to that point is another question entirely.
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Postby chorister » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:08 pm

No - the ECJ ruling prevented Article 50 being withdrawn and immediately re-served. Serving again after another referendum would comply.
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:12 pm

From the BBC - Article 50: Can the UK revoke Brexit? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47668466
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Postby chorister » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Thank you for a link confirming my post - holding another referendum at a later date and submitting and further Article 50 notice pursuant to that would not possibly be interpreted as engaging "in an abusive practice".
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:12 am

Good morning. It’s funny how two people can look at the same thing and draw different conclusions. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this and wait to see the outcome. At least we live in a democracy where we can have this debate.
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Postby chorister » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:53 am

Oh your point re democracy is absolutely important.  But if a referendum followed by an Article 50 Notice were not to quote Article 50 "in accordance  with its [the UK's] own constitutional requirements" then the current UK Article 50 Notice would not be valid, so it is inconceivable that the ECJ would not recognise the same process repeated as valid.
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Postby atbattersea » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:32 pm

juliantenniscoach wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:12 pm
From the BBC - Article 50: Can the UK revoke Brexit? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47668466

The BBC is not really a reliable source, is it? If you want to quote from something here is the original from the CJEU:

http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/d ... id=5902693
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Postby atbattersea » Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:36 pm

Petition is now close to 4.4 million.
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Postby sloaney donkey » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:52 pm

GuyD73

still at it, eh?

why don't you just leave this country ?
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Postby sloaney donkey » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:54 pm

If it is that bad for you then do what I am doing on April 1st.

I am packing my car (French car now) and leaving to go to Provence.

No petitions, no getting angry ... just leaving Nappy Valley for good

Will the last person out please turn off the lights?
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Postby GuyD73 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:54 am

Julian, I'd agree that revocation without a further ref is unlikely, but also the entire what is/isn't likely, or even possible, has been turned on its head in recent weeks. Curious though, as to what odds you'd be prepared to offer? If you're as confident as you sound then 20-1 doesn't sound unreasonable  😃  

And does the first cabinet minister to break ranks and say they'd 'happily' vote for it change the odds?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 38406.html

I can easily see a situation where A50 is revoked to give Parliament time to consider its next move. 

More importantly (I think), how can we get the petition even higher? Squillions of you will have parents who voted to leave. Some positions will be entrenched but others, knowing now that ANY Brexit makes us poorer and their vote has meant their grandchildren being robbed of opportunities and their rights to live and work in 27 other countries, may well be persuaded to change their minds, even if it's just to make it stop! Keep plugging the link. Put a poster in your front window too! or up on noticeboards at your doctors, church, gym etc. 
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Postby juliantenniscoach » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:03 pm

Guy I admire your determination over this even if I do think you’ve gone a bit nuts over it (in the nicest sense of the phrase!).

Today both the Chancellor and the Brexit Secretary said they would strike off both the ‘no deal’ and ‘revoke’ options off the ‘indicative’ list. I think my money is safe ;)

Something democratic like another referendum to reflect the changed political landscape would be far more appealing. Watch this space.
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Postby atbattersea » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:21 am

juliantenniscoach wrote:
Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:03 pm
Today both the Chancellor and the Brexit Secretary said they would strike off both the ‘no deal’ and ‘revoke’ options off the ‘indicative’ list. I think my money is safe ;)

Somehow I don't think two votes will have the final say on it!? I also seem to recall that one of the previous Brexit secretaries promised us we'd all get exactly the same rights and freedoms after Brexit as we did while in the EU – which was obviously a lie.
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