Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

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Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby CyclingLondon » Sat May 20, 2023 9:54 am

I actually read this article in The Times which did resonate as several friend's children have mentioned how hard it has been to get offers from certain unis,

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the- ... -vc29n2nft

Then I saw the Twitter post below referencing the same article which I had to also share, just a little bit funny, "how did she cope?"

:lol:


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Re: Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby sid_seal » Sat May 20, 2023 11:36 am

I find it amusing how some private school parents believe that the Oxbridge admission system is rigged in favour of state schools, and that their poor children are now disadvantaged. It’s not like paying for education automatically entitles them to an Oxbridge place: what universities are trying to do is to remove decades of bias in favour of private schools, so what may be perceived as a disadvantage is actually an attempt at closing a gap that is still too wide.
If a child is bright, they will succeed from any school. Parents may simply realise that, if Oxbridge is their aim, paying for private education may no longer be necessary.
However, if they are so concerned for their children’s welfare (God forbid they mix with all sorts of children!!), they should by all means keep them where they are. The last thing state school families need is other families thinking they are above the rest and feeling they are making a sacrifice for the (wrongly perceived) advantage that they will get from putting a comprehensive school on their UCAS form.
 
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Postby Unistats » Mon May 22, 2023 9:39 am

It's also a complete fallacy if you look at the stats. Privately educated pupils only make up 7% of the population but still get around 30% of Cambridge places and 40% of Oxford places. 93% of the population go to State (more at 6th form) but still get a real terms smaller percentage of places than private pupils.Things may be improving in favour of State but the odds still fall in favour of private if you want to play the 'game'. Also there are plenty of other excellent universities!
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Re: Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby NVNV » Mon May 22, 2023 10:45 am

Couldn’t agree more. This topic riles me / makes me laugh in equal measure. The odds are still seriously in favour of independent school kids. What’s likely happening is that independent school kids who don’t really deserve a place aren’t getting one - they might have the paper requirements in grades but as far as I’m aware the decision has always been based on more than pure grades. The funny bit is the lack of recognition of these parents that maybe their kids didn’t get in because Oxbridge isn’t the right place for them.
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Re: Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby happy tootling » Mon May 22, 2023 3:16 pm

There are pushy helicopter parents, but places like Oxford can spot this ..
I believe they also are adept at recognising the highly 'coached' students.

No harm in changing school for a better education, but the drive to go to further education, any establishment, has to come from the individual mainly, not that of aspirational parents.
It's tough at Oxford, careful what you wish for!
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Re: Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby betsyboop » Mon May 22, 2023 3:42 pm

that's not how it even works, you need to be in a school in a terrible postcode, not just any state, and also move before GCSEs are taken otherwise, the GCSEs sitting will show where you have taken them and with which boards ... all very telling 
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Re: Switching from indy to state for Oxbridge

Postby AHW » Mon May 22, 2023 5:34 pm

That is a funny extract.

As an aside -as the parent of a (first year) Cambridge student, I also find the implication from some of my friends who are privately educating, that my son just 'swanned in' because he's from a state school background, really offensive. He achieved 4 A stars in STEM subjects, had a tough entrance exam - and two rigorous interviews, with two professors/lecturers sitting in both....

20% of sixth form students are privately educated (against 7% across all age groups) and the stats show that about 19-22% of Oxbridge students  admitted last year were from private school backgrounds - so perhaps the bias is about where it now should be, rather than the 40+% it has historically been.  The fact remains that it is incredibly competitive to get in, there are far more (well qualified) applicants applying than there are places, and UK students now have to compete with foreign students as well as their UK peers. No-one gets a 'free pass' or gets to rely on the 'old school tie' any more.
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