Hi,

I've been living in the area for many years and I find the amount of traffic to have been raising steadily year on year. I welcome the changes and hope they will extend the scheme throughout Lambeth.

There are so many options for getting around in London that using a car seems utterly selfish. Cars are polluting and take up a lot of physical space in our environment.

John.

“ Are you seriously saying that 95% of the residents in the LTNs will have no physical problem cycling?”

Please can you point out where I said 95% of people will have no physical problem cycling? Seriously or otherwise?

And can you also kindly confirm why you said “ May I remind you 34% of Wandsworth residents have mobility issues and have great difficulty walking - let alone getting on a bike!” when it is completely and utterly untrue?

Nice bit of fudging and avoided the question dearest this_is_cat! 


My question to you is clear dearest Curiosity Cat...

Are you seriously saying that 95% of the residents in the LTNs will have no physical problem cycling?

Really?

Of course disabilities and mobility problems aren’t the same thing which is was why it was so surprising that you tried to claim they were in your initial post. Where you also tried to apply a national percentage despite the report very clearly stating a much lower London one.

I think we can all agree statistics and facts aren’t your strong point!

Clearly, far too many journeys are made by cars in London despite excellent, cheap and plentiful public transport options, and a majority-healthy population who are capable of walking or cycling for many of their journeys

This document has some interesting facts on car usage, including that around 30% of journeys are under a mile
And page 14 shows that Lambeth and Wandsworth are the highest ranked ‘inner’ boroughs for daily car usage.

http://content.tfl.gov.uk/technical-not ... london.pdf

Denward - I had assumed you were making a valid point about about 34.9 % of Wandsworth residents having mobility issues and having great difficulty in walking.
It is now clear you made that up to try and make a point, but have been called out. Usually with reasonable and intelligent folks that would be the end of it but now you try to switch the focus away from your misleading post.

Further nO-one has stated that everyone needs to switch to cycling - that was your own inference - and it’s clear you are not strong on drawing points from a report  - even the ones you post.  

The aim of LTNs if of course to reduce non essential car journeys and to encourage more sustainable methods of transport which include walking, public transport, cycling, car sharing etc.  Hope that helps you understand. 

 

Oh Dear Curiosity Cat,

Disabled and having mobility issues are not the same thing,

The MAIN point here is the LTNs and TfL proposals assume that preventing and obstructing private cars is acceptable because everybody can "Switch to cycling" instead.

Pretty much of a "Marie Antoinette" statement don't you think? 

"If they can't go by car - Let the peasants cycle!" #

So to clear things up dearest Curiosity Cat...

Are you seriously saying that 95% of the residents in the LTNs will have no physical problem cycling?

Really?

 

Oh dear Denward

That report says the absolute opposite of what you’re trying to suggest.

While the overall percentage of disabilities in the UK is 34.9%, that includes everything from autism to physical disabilities. It absolutely isn’t physical impairments.
The proportion with mobility issues is 13%

The report also says the overall disability rate in London is just 14%
So if we apply to same proportion to work out the mobility issue rate for London, it comes out at 5.4%

So, to clear things up, you are worried about the 5% of people in Wandsworth (even though most of Streatham is in Lambeth???) who have mobility issues?
Not the 95% of people who have no mobility issues?
Or the large proportion of people who will hugely benefit from clean air and lower pollution?

Hi Denward,

The report/link does not back up your claim whether it is 34 or 34.9% - it does not even mention Wandsworth or great difficulty in walking.
Could you please clarify as you were using this figure to validate a point ?
thanks 
 

livegreen wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:05 amDenward - You state “38% of people in Wandsworth have mobility issues and great difficulty walking” I cannot see this in the report you attached.
Could  you find a link and share as interested to see the facts around this.

If you read my post I said 34% NOT the 38% that you have stated.

The actual figure is 34.9% so I underestimated it it!

Denward - You state “38% of people in Wandsworth have mobility issues and great difficulty walking” I cannot see this in the report you attached.
Could  you find a link and share as interested to see the facts around this.

The whole point of these schemes is to force vehicles off the roads and reduce the total number of cars journeys.  There may as a result be a short term increase in pollution on main roads, but also a drop in overall pollution in surrounding areas where cars are now discouraged.
This will further encourage people to walk to schools, shops, restaurants down their less polluted roads which will have further health benefits and lead to less pollution.
Creating a better environment for all.

Yes some will be inconvenienced- mainly those who have built their lives around car use BUT the writing has been on the wall for a long time about pollution, climate change, health issues etc.

Time for change is here and will undoubtably lead to better outcomes for all community in the longer term.
 

So why increase air pollution by causing gridlock and idling vehicles throughout our area?

I drive an an electric car and I cycle - still forced ( sorry "encouraged") to drive in endless traffic jams by being forced into main streets with everyone else.

The idea behind it (reduce traffic) may be laudable but the planning and implementation is ham-fisted with a draconian options of  (dictated by ideology NOT evidence based planning)

a) Walk or
b) Cycle or
c) Stay at home

Any alternative bus,taxi,private car journey heavily punished

As for mobility issues in he population;

https://sportengland-production-files.s ... -facts.pdf

 

Air pollution is the biggest environmental threat to health in the UK, with between 28,000 and 36,000 deaths a year attributed to long-term exposure. There is strong evidence that air pollution causes the development of coronary heart disease, stroke, respiratory disease and lung cancer, and exacerbates asthma.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/publ ... nce-review

The best way to improve the access of emergency vehicles throughout London is to reduce the number of other motor vehicles on roads.
How do you achieve this ? Make people think as to whether they need to drive - most do not.

Only way to reduce pollution in London is to reduce the number of motor vehicles on the roads.
How do you achieve that? Encourage people to walk, cycle or use public transport. Taking the car should be for essential journeys only - if people only used cars for essential journeys.......everyone benefits in the long term.

34% of Wandsworth residents have mobility issues - I’m surprised by that number but if correct they would definitely benefit from less vehicles on the roads so there would be less traffic if they had to get somewhere and unable to walk or use public transport their journey would be quicker.

Most people drive because it is convenient not because it is essential or for the good of their community.

All the current road changes may be inconvenient but the aim and intention is for the good of all our community and we all need to get used to it.

You said "Emergency services aren't effected by the modifications in Streatham Hill as the can pass through freely. In fact it means they will have an easy cut through without the usual traffic."

That's exactly what they said about the Tooting and Wandsworth LTNs and look at the Mayhem!!!

Might be better if instead of theorising you came up and spoke to  real Wandsworth residents living in this nightmare.

You wrote "there will be less cars,more space for bikes "   

May I remind you 34% of Wandsworth residents have mobility issues and have great difficulty walking - let alone getting on a bike! ... Now your real aims and agenda have been revealed, have you no sympathy for those older and less able than yourself in your quest to turn your road into a gated community?

Your own family and children's lives may depend on a fast response  Ambulance , Fire Engine or Police Car!