Chelsea doctor suspended over claims he administered 'dangerous' autism treatment to children

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Postby LP73 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:10 pm

This is shocking beyond belief
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Postby Sheds » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:36 am

Having recently learnt that the child of a friend may be showing similar behaviours to those described in the term autism, I have found and am reading a book called 'Son Rise' by Barry Neil Kaufman. It is an extremely interesting read and certainly offers hope to families finding themselves in an unknown experience, desperately looking for help, who are in the vulnerable position that lead them to this particular doctor in the first place.
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Postby Perfect Storm » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:46 am

Posting info on yet more idiotic snake oil "cures" doesn't help anyone, thanks. That's a book sold to make money. It's not peer-reviewed evidence and not recommended by any of the expert practitioners in the field. Dr Daphne Keen at St George's is one of the leading consultants in the field and only sees people from the local area now because she's so in demand nationally. Anyone in this area with concerns should ask to be referred to the Neurodevelopmental Paediatrics clinic at St George's, not to a book.

I have an autistic brother and an autistic child. I've lived alongside autistic people since the day I was born. And knowing scared and distressed parents are preyed upon by people willing to abuse and harm children in order to make money from their desperate parents is incredibly upsetting. I look at my beautiful, kind, funny, loving little boy, already so confused by life and who will always be so very vulnerable, and it makes me so angry to know other children were put through chelation and other proven-worthless, yet proven dangerous "treatments".

If there is a hell, I hope Andrew bloody Wakefield burns in it.

And for the record, autism is not a tragedy, not a disaster, and is not all deficit, in many cases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzsTtP0qes It's a huge problem that autism is mainly seen as something awful parents have to bravely contend with, instead of a different way of thinking, being, and seeing then world. There are very few autistic people working in the charities purporting to represent them, which is wholly against the usual policy of such charities, "Nothing for us, without us." There are numerous fiercely intelligent, thoughtful, capable individuals with autism and their voices are not heard - instead, we are told it is a terrible bogeyman and we should expose our children to measles rather than risk it.

Autism is in many ways painful. It's hard. But my child has no malice. He is purely kind. While that renders him vulnerable, it's also a gift - and his lack of social complexity is coupled with staggering intelligence, so he is learning, albeit slowly and painfully, to recognise exploitation and how to defend his own interests. Autism is fascinating. Autism is complicated. Autism is diverse. Above all, autism is misrepresented, and misunderstood.

Autism is not, or should not be, an opportunity to fleece scared parents.
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Postby Sheds » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:20 am

Dear Perfect Storm

I offered this book as a kindness from the bottom of my heart. It was written by a father of a son who was destined for an institution by professionals in the field. The parents would not accept such a life sentence for their darling child who they, like you, could only see the love and beauty unfolding. They never saw autism as a tragedy, disaster, deficit, something awful to contend with either. I would suspect from your response that you have not read it, and have made an assumption regarding 'more idiotic snake oil 'cures' being it's content. You may be pleasantly surprised.

There is help out there. People, such as myself, are offering a hand of love, compassion and friendship. Sometimes anger gets in the way of seeing that. It is completely understandable, we all do it at times!

Sending love to you and your beautiful family.
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Postby Perfect Storm » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:47 am

Oh for heaven's sakes.

You know how when people get cancer, they suddenly have to deal with earnest exhortations to try this rare herbal concoction and twirling crystals in certain directions when the moon is in a certain quarter, to be healed? No silly old chemotherapy or radiotherapy can possibly compare! Well, with autism, that's lifelong. And in the case of this doctor, incredibly dangerous. Of course I'm angry about that. Why aren't you?

I'm not at all angry that my child is autistic. We're fine. He's great. I'm angry with the idiots who manipulate and prey on others. And that is mainly about this doctor, who risked useless treatments that have killed a child before... but it would, to a lesser extent, include books like this one. There are legions, you know. So, so many people all loudly trumpeting that they have this magic solution, if you'd just buy their amazing book, or that they, uniquely, see the beauty in their child. We all see beauty in our children. That's what being a parent is all about.

Autism is not cureable. And if it were, we'd all lose out, anyway. There is good reason to suspect that Einstein may have been autistic, and Steve Jobs, perhaps. Certainly Bill Gates. Autism is less a problem in my son's life than other people's inability to recognise that he is simply different in how he sees the world. And thinking autism is so awful that a parent who sees beauty in their life, and their autistic child, must be inspirational... that's a horrible way to see autistic people. It is demeaning, and belittling.

I don't need you to drip patronising syrupy condescension on my family. I need you to realise that you don't know anything on this subject, and to stop seeking to advise, in favour of being educated by those infinitely more informed than you are. If you want to help your friend, then a little humility, and recognition that you do not, in fact, have an answer, would be a good place to start.

"There is help out there". Yes, I have good friends, excellent medical advice, and ace educational support. I have plenty of help, and so does my son. Your insistent conviction that my life must be awful because my child is autistic says huge amounts about you - and nothing at all about him, or me.
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Postby Sheds » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:57 am

Dear Perfect Storm

I don't profess to have an answer, no-one has!

My friend asked me to read it, so I did.

I wonder why you feel so compelled to attack, especially when you know absolutely nothing about me and haven't taken the time to find out.

I see a fellow human in everyone I meet, we are all in this together!

No matter. I stand by my words.

I wish you well.
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Postby rebecca.nicholls » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:04 am

Born autistic , I always looked at the world differently as a little girl, as I grew up I realised it was a gift.

Now I help autistic adults and their children have a better understanding of the world.

Greet the Divine in every human ✨


http://bigpicturequestions.com/spiritua ... is-autism/

Big Love

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Postby Perfect Storm » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:04 pm

Okay: I appreciate your confusion, and I apologise for expressing my frustration so forcefully. But given as I'm working on the assumption that we're both neuro-typical (non-autistic) and therefore have no problem with creative empathy, I'm going to ask you to put yourself in my shoes, here.

I grew up with a clever, kind, desperately confused older sibling. At Honeywell Primary School in the late 1970s, he was told to get undressed for PE and to join the teacher in the hall. He did exactly as asked, and strolled in naked, eager for his first lesson. The teacher then ruthlessly mocked this four year old for doing precisely what he'd been asked, and encouraged the other dozens of children there, all of whom understood the implied meaning of her request, into mocking him just as remorselessly. This was his time at the school, with the sole exception of an amazing special needs teacher in the attics who cherished him, understood him... and told my mother to move him elsewhere. The rest of the staff spent their time implying it was because she was a working, single parent, and he'd be fine when she remarried (Mrs Mallyean, the head, was an exception, and also brilliant).

My brother left school with no qualifications at all. When diagnosed, in his 20s, he started getting intensive help - he now has an excellent job in IT, having had his co-morbid dyslexia diagnosed, and having had his exceptionally high IQ very belatedly assessed. But his childhood years were hell, and as his stress levels in school rose, so were our lives at home - autistic children are prone to masking, or to pretending they are okay in school to evade attention, before going ballistic at home in an attempt to let out all the confusion, rage and over stimulation.

Autistic children, well managed, generally don't behave aggressively or in a way that is impossible to manage. But to manage them well, you need to understand them. This takes research, guidance, and experience. I've read a huge number of reputable books on the subject. I've gone on several courses. And I have lived with autism all my life - quite literally, as my brother is two years older than I am. I know that this is how he, and my son, experience the physical world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr4_dOorquQ

I have to adjust our lives and adapt our habits so my son can fully participate in life - family life, and the wider world. My brother has to adjust his own. It's lifelong, and it's complex, but it's perfectly doable. And it varies - on a good day, he can manage all sorts of places. On a bad, he can't manage at all. We have to be flexible - ironic, as flexibility is something that, by diagnosis, he can't manage. But once you start to understand autism - that your child experiences the world far more vividly than you do, and in every area, you start to adapt. You buy special clothing so he isn't endlessly uncomfortable. You learn what diet he can manage, and you carry fruit flavoured chewing gum so he can have a stress release in the chewing. You avoid crowded places, and you recognise that an outing may need to be curtailed, and that's okay. You just accept that you will have almost no sleep for the forseeable future. And you plan, plan, plan. And all of that is okay, because your kid is fabulous, and worth it a million times over.

Parents who are desperate and scared and have a new diagnosis will find clinics like that this charlatan ran, and pay a lot of money for their children to be at best not helped at all, and at worst actively harmed.

Imagine what it is like, as a parent of an autistic child, to read that article. Imagine what it is like to know that other autistic children are having their lives put at risk by some man out to make money from them, to hell with their welfare. And then imagine reading a comment by someone who really knows nothing about autism and has almost no exposure other than a friend with a child, busily recommending some random book, from that zero knowledge base. Then imagine that you get that all. the. time.

You know what it's like to be catcalled in the street as a young woman? How it happens all the time, from men who can't understand why you are so rude in response, when they mean it nicely, and what's your problem, anyway? It's the assumption that their opinion of you has value, and it's the fact it happens all the bloody time. That is what these book recommendations and well-meant comments amount to. You have no idea, how much research all the autistic children's parents I know do. We do not need a recommendation of this nature. Yet we get them ALL THE TIME. It's irritating to the point we joke about it amongst ourselves - that and the inspirational quotes. If I see one more card with a rainbow and a thing about life being about learning to dance in the rain I'm going to write back asking for cash to visit Niagara Falls for practice.

i appreciate you meant well. Honestly, I do. But with autism, education and understanding amongst the public is a huge help, and this sort of book, focused on the parents and written as a feelgood mood boost, isn't achieving that. Autism isn't about the parents, and the hijacking of the autism conversation by parents, and in their interests, is really against the interests of autistic people more widely. The terror of having an autistic child is such that many people would rather risk measles - imagine how that feels, to autistic adults? That they are that unacceptable, and have that little to offer the world, which is in my experience so wholly untrue? To know that people will risk paying a fortune to some crook to have their children's very lives risked, instead of accepting their autism as who they are, and working with it, and with the child they are gifted to have?

Reading that news story was sickening, and distressing, and your sole response was, "if anyone has an autistic child, this book is marvellous!" It felt rather as though someone heard a kid was in intensive care, and piped up to recommend this amazing brand of plaster. The problem with this story wasn't the fact that some kids are autistic. It's that some crooks would risk their lives to exploit the fear of their parents. And genuine, responsible education helps with that - a lot more than a disability edition of the inspirational paperback.

Rebecca, my son is in some ways disabled, but in many others his autism is indeed a gift: I agree with you, and with John Elder Robison. If Autism Speaks have their way, and autism is eliminated as a neurotype, we would all be the poorer.
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Postby Sheds » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:22 pm

....'And then imagine reading a comment by someone who really knows nothing about autism and has almost no exposure other than a friend with a child, busily recommending some random book, from that zero knowledge base.'
....and your sole response was, "if anyone has an autistic child, this book is marvellous!"

I leave you with your assumptions. There may be others in the group that would find this book an interesting read.
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Postby Perfect Storm » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:45 pm

No, you leave me with my comprehension of the words you chose, freely, to type on a screen.
Having recently learnt that the child of a friend may be showing similar behaviours to those described in the term autism, I have found and am reading a book called 'Son Rise' by Barry Neil Kaufman.
My friend asked me to read it, so I did.
This man peddles a paid for autism "cure". You must know this. Your dishonesty in constantly seeking to promote him and his book is noted.
'Son-Rise - The miracle continues' presents an expanded and updated journal of Barry and Samahria Kaufman's successful effort to reach their once 'unreachable' autistic child. Part one documents Raun Kaufman's astonishing development from a lifeless, autistic, retarded child into a highly verbal, lovable youngster with no traces of his former condition. Part two details Raun's extraordinary progress from the age of four into young adulthood. Part three shares moving accounts of five families that successfully used the Son-Rise Program to reach their own special children. An awe-inspiring reminder that love moves mountains.
They run a clinic, and flog untested dietary supplements, just as the doctor currently being investigated does. We have one of the best NHS clinics for autism in the country in Wandsworth. People pay for the very restricted two private clinics a month Dr Keen offers - we get it for free! Yet you promote this idiocy to people, instead? People who are scared, and looking for easy answers to an intractable life change? You might as well tell a pregnant woman that if she pays you, you can show her how to avoid birth.

It's just bullshit on toast, exploiting the vulnerable. My brother and son deserve better, and so do all autistic people.
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Postby dudette » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:01 pm

Perfect Storm - you write very eloquently on this subject. Have you and your brother thought of writing a book about it?
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Postby jomi273 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:39 pm

Perfect storm
..... as the mother of a teenage daughter diagnosed in Wandsworth. I salute you lady! And where's the like button when I need it!
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Postby oab » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:18 am

This is shocking news! Especially in my this day & age...Hope he gets criminally prosecuted!

Sheds, I am sure you are very well intentioned, but this sounds complex and unlikely to be addressed with a book.

Perfect storm, you sounds so knowledgeable on the subject, I'm with dudette in thinking that others would benefit from your knowledge !! Best of luck!!
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Postby Sheds » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:01 am

Hi dudette and oab

Did you notice that I share the title of a book written by someone who feels so knowledgeable on the subject and get blasted for it by the very person that you urge to write a book for feeling so knowledgeable on the subject to share with the same audience!

Most people are in search of hope and finding a community of others going through similar circumstances. When the author was faced with professionals telling him of all the things that his son would never achieve he decided not to listen, and look at all that his son could do instead. He changed his focus and got on with what he felt needed to be done. Regardless of Perfect Storm agreeing with him or not, he shares his own knowledge and experience with whoever is interested. For those wishing to take it further than just reading the book he charges for the service, I guess to finance what is provided. In much the same way Dr Keen charges £900 for the initial consultation and £450 per hour thereafter for those less fortunate than the Wandsworth inhabitants getting it for free. That alone must keep a huge number of families out of that particular pathway. I noted that Dr Keen offers medication, and that would have my own alarm bells going off! We all have differing views on everything and there is nothing wrong with that. Buying a book does not mean that anyone has to take any further steps parting with money for the course and anything else on offer. They don't have to agree with anything written either. Those who want to can. Maybe reading the book, or any other on the subject can help people feel less alone or strengthen their own ideas and beliefs in agreement or disagreement, both are beneficial. It is being open minded enough in the first place to be able to explore all avenues and make your own mind up that can be the starting point...no-one is forced to do anything, and that includes buying the book!
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