Full architect service vs design only vs design and build co

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needacupoftea!
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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby needacupoftea! » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:29 am

Wow 6k is quite steep for a normal residential. You might have a mahossive house however but all the same.
We used Armstrong Simmonds Architects on Lavender Hill and they were great. They are residential specialists and have done lots of local jobs - ours was very simple and boring so we just went for the basics and handled the builders ourselves but the one they have done in the next road over was lush and looks amazing! They do free consultations and were straight up regarding costs, ideas and had a fast turn around. Not sure what your time scale is but Chris's email is simmondscp@yahoo.co.uk/02072281324. I will tell him I mentioned him and if you tell him you heard on nappy valley I will ask him to look after you :D
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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby Tiny T » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:24 am

We completed a full refurbishment of our property this year and we were in the same situation of shall we use an architect or just a local design team and builder. We had a number of architects round who were coming up with no new ideas to what we already had and the new ideas were unpractical as they were ridiculously expensive and the architects then wanted 12%-15% of the build cost on top to do the planning application, structural drawings, spec sheet and project manage the build. Sometimes we felt they were just coming up with the most expensive ideas just so their percentages would be higher.

We were recommended a builder who had been used by a couple of friends and he said the build was going to cost somewhere between £130K-£150K but he would know better once we had structural drawings and a full spec for him to quote off. At this point we realised we wouldn’t be able to afford some £20K on an architect and complete the project with the funds we had.

The builder said he would project manage as he does with most of his jobs as long as we provided good structural drawings and detailed spec sheet. The builder also recommended a planner and a structural engineer he always works with and in total their fees came in at £3.5K. The party wall agreement was a little expensive it should had cost £500 but as both neighbours contested we had to pay for both of their surveyors as well, who seemed incredibly expensive compared to our surveyor so that fee eventually came in at just under £5K – however we would have spent that £5K even if we had the £20K architect!!

The local planner was very knowledgeable and got us a larger extension than we originally thought Wandsworth Council would allow and the surveyor provided a full spec for the builder to quote off. Although we knew we wanted to use this builder we got another 3 quotes from the spec provided just to check his price was in the right ball park. There was probably £5K-£10K difference between all the quotes with our original builder being the most expensive, however we had seen his previous work at friend’s houses and his finish was excellent and as my husband always says you get what you pay for!

The build went well with few problems, Craig was very approachable and knowledgeable and all his build teams were very friendly, the finish was great and came in right on budget as said, unlike friends I know whose build costs have gone well over the original quote from the builder. So from my experience I would save the money on the architect and spend the money on a good builder but make sure time is spent on the spec sheet down to the very last detail as it all adds up so the builder can quote accurately.

Hope this advice helps with your project and good luck!
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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby MGMidget » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:13 pm

In my view the main problem with trying to project manage yourself is that builders can try and 'pull the wool over your eyes' regarding anything technical and if you happen to do your research and challenge them they don't like it coming from a homeowner/little lady of the house.

Professional project managers, on the other hand, won't take any rubbish and the builder will know from the outset that they can't try any tricks. It could be months or years after you've made the final payment to the builder before you discover the shortcuts your builder took. I'm not in the property business but have had experience at various times of all three of 'project managing' building work on our own home, paying a design and build company and having a professional project manager overseeing work. The third option is not only the least stressful but gave us the best result and was good value. We got a good builder (one of several choices that the project manager suggested to us) for a very reasonable price. There can be a lot of profit built into a design and build company's quote. They are essentially a builder who wants to charge more by offering the design aspect as well.
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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby Dearsir » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:35 pm

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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby elizad » Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:10 pm

Hi TinyT

Thanks for your advice it is very sound. Would you possibly share details of your builder?

Many thanks
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Re: Full architect service vs design only vs design and buil

Postby Tiny T » Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:43 pm

Hi Eliza

Yes just found his card, it's Craig Daniel 0774 206 9841 www.westbridgeconstructionltd.co.uk

Good Luck!
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