Do you accrue bank holidays on maternity leave?

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Do you accrue bank holidays on maternity leave?

Postby Mint Slice » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:19 pm

Hello Folks,

It's my first post and I may be repeating earlier posts so please bear with me............

I'm 6 months pregnant with my first child and have been having conversations with my employer (the NHS) about my entitlements while I'm on maternity leave. There are a couple of issues but the first one I want to sort out is accrual of bank holidays.

I work Mon- Fri and while I'm on maternity leave there are 5 bank holidays that I would normally receive a days paid leave for. I'm being told that I do not accrue bank holidays so in effect will lose them and the pay.

Is this correct?

Any advice will be gratefully received!!!
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Postby millymac » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:26 pm

Hello
I have just returned to work after maternity leave and accrued all bank holidays to take as extra leave before my return to work. You should get your full year's holiday entitlement plus any bank holidays. I would ask to see the maternity policy document which should detail all of that.
Good luck!
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Postby AbbevilleMummy » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:17 pm

The policy where I work is that you do accrue bank holidays, however, you cannot roll them forward into the following calendar year.

Therefore, I go on maternity leave in September, and before I go I'm going to take my Christmas Day and Boxing Day bank holidays as leave. Then when I come back in September 2012, I wil take the bank holidays that I 'missed' in 2012.

Not sure whether they have to do this by law or are just being nice (but it would be unusual for them to do something they didn't have to!).
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Postby Karin1979 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 11:08 am

Hi,

What a good question! ....

After reading your post I asked my employer as I am due to go on maternaty very soon, and the answer was yes!! :lol: ... Apparantly the law changed in 2009 ... and now states:

Do we have to give a woman a substitute day's leave for bank holidays that fall during maternity leave?
The Employment Rights Act provides that a woman is entitled to all her terms and conditions during both the ordinary and additional maternity leave periods (OML and AML), apart from remuneration, as though she was at work. In the case of employees employed under the Green Book, this can be interpreted as meaning that a woman should be given a day's leave for each bank holiday that falls during the OML and AML periods.

The obligation to give a woman substitute leave for the bank holidays that she was unable to take during her maternity leave was reinforced by the European Court of Justice (ECJ) decision in Gomez (see LGE Advisory Bulletin 483). This case concerned a fixed holiday period that fell during Ms Gomez's maternity leave. The ECJ held that a woman must be able to take her annual leave at a time outside her maternity leave. Bank holidays are effectively a fixed day's leave and it is believed that this principle should therefore be applied in such cases.
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Postby alabaster » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:52 pm

I'm very interested to hear this all as there has been no mention of it by my work. I'm currently on maternity leave (since April). My baby came early so my maternity leave kicked in early and I missed all the easter/wedding/may bank holiday days that I had been counting on being paid for.
I'm not really sure where this leaves me as I can't obviously take the days off now I am off already. Perhaps (hopefully/wishful thinking) they legally need to pay me for them??
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Postby sw11_ » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:48 pm

Yes I accrued bank holidays - about 9 of them! Unfortunately i don't know if this is because my employer had to, or just chose to. Good luck finding out though- I hope you get yours!
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Postby SFMC » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:21 am

I recently returned from maternity leave. I asked the same question and my employer (non profit, public sector) did not pay me or give me any of the bank holidays over my year's leave.
I did ask about it and they said no... I cannot remember the reasons, I accepted it. It was something like, I wouldn't be working them anyway but they didn't need to pay me for them. I found it confusing but they were adamant.
They are pretty on the ball and we are public sector so don't think they are obliged but it might discretionary.
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Postby Karin1979 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:05 pm

Hi,
I had a reply from HR in writing to confirm I'll get paid! I don't think they would if they didn't have to ... Please look into it! :oops:
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Postby MamanMummy » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:26 pm

Having worked with a lawyer on this last April, YES YOU DO accrue bank holidays by law. Obviously most employer will deny this (mine did initially) so I would definitely use the law text kindly posted on this forum to remind them of their obligations, as 10 days of annual bank holidays is 50% extra on the 20 statutory you get in any case - ie a lot of money effectively.
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Postby SFMC » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:20 pm

So can someone confirm that my company would have had to either pay for me for the bank holidays that fell during my year maternity leave OR else have given them to me to add onto my maternity leave?
And it doesn't matter if the bank holidays fell during my contractual maternity pay (the first 6 months) or stautory maternity pay (3 months following the contractural mat leave) or the last remaining 3 months when I received no pay?
I just want to double check this before go back to HR to find out as I was shot down badly last time when I enquirede before having baby...but perhaps I am misunderstanding how it all works.

This isn't just best practice rather than legally binding?

Thank you!
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Postby juliamummy » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:30 pm

The answer isn't quite so simple as Yes you do accrue bank holidays whilst on maternity leave - that is because English laws relating to maternity rights and working time (i.e. holiday) aren't clear cut on the issue. However, European case law (which the English Tribunals must have regard to) gives a strong indication of what your rights are and many employers are observing these. Here's a brief summary:

* during maternity leave all of your terms of employment, other than those relating to pay, continue. That means if you are entitled to, let's say, 25 days' holiday plus bank and public holidays, then those holiday days should accrue during that year;
* however, working time legislation that governs holiday entitlement, says that the minimum entitlement to holiday (that is 28 days for full time employees inclusive of any bank and public holidays, pro rated for part time employees) should be taken in the year it accrues, and no carry over should be permitted. This presents quite a bit of a conundrum for employers and women on maternity leave, because maternity leave generally spans two holiday years, and it may not be possible to take all the leave entitlement for that year, before your maternity leave commences (particularly if some of your holiday entitlement is actually bank and public holidays which fall after your maternity leave has commenced).
* So the English law rights to holiday and rights on maternity leave don't sit too happily together - fortunately there is a European case (Gomez v Continental Industrias del Caucho) which says that in relation to statutory holiday at least, if a woman who has been on maternity leave can't take it in the year it accrues she should be able to carry over and take it on her return to work. Employer's best practice is to assume that the English courts would follow this European decision to grant a woman returning from maternity leave the right to take untaken statutory holiday from the year before.
* Note: It is up to the employer what happens to any additional holiday beyond the 28 days holiday (remember that is inclusive of bank and public holiday)- so you would need to look at your contract / maternity policy to see what it says about the right to carry over. The Gomez case wasn't concerned with contractual rights, but the ECJ decision did suggest that actually contractual entitlement should be carried over as well because of the special and unique position women are in.
* In summary, you can argue strongly that you should be allowed to carry over any unused statutory entitlement up to 28 days; you might as well also argue just as strongly for the full contractual entitlement (if that is more than 28 days in total for the year), but you aren't in such a strong position here.
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Postby Delphine30 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:52 pm

Hello,

I actually found that document from Freshfieds which discusses the issue in one of the paragraphs page 4.
link below:
http://www.freshfields.com/publications ... /24691.pdf

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Postby SFMC » Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:30 pm

thanks - I get 28 days holiday plus bank holidays normally. So they gave me the 28 days still during maternity leave but not the bank holidays in addition. According to some of that information posted they could give me the bank holidays on top of 28 days but in fact I am not in a strong position to argue this...and they in fact don't have to.
I think that now make sense in relation to what they said and why they didn't give the bank holidays.

THanks!
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Postby whirlwind » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:48 am

Hi

I am due to go on maternity leave at the end of August and had my HR "maternity briefing" this week. It was specifically highlighted to me that when it comes to Bank Holidays, 1) I cannot accrue them and 2) I won't get paid for them. I have a friend who checked with a lawyer and managed to get her employer to eventually agree to accrual, so I double-checked with the HR girl and she was adamant that I can't accrue and can't get paid for them. It seems like a double whammy, as normally you do effectively get paid on Bank Holidays! I have read the Freshfields link posted above, and it seems one caveat is how much holiday entitlement you have vs statutory minimum. I have 25 days' entitlement per yr vs the statutory 20 - has anyone else been in the same situation? Is this something I should be arguing about with HR before I go on maternity leave or can I leave it for when I'm thinking of coming back?

Thanks
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Postby SFMC » Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:03 pm

Hi Whirlwind
As you will see from my previous post the same thing happened to me - I have 28 holidays and they refused to pay me or add on the bank holidays to my maternity leave. They said they did not have to.
From what I have read, and from other posts on here, it does seem they don't have to , in our case because of our number of holidays.

My organization is a big public sector, non profit institution - which seems like is 90% women (and it seems like 50% have recently been , just back, are or on maternity leave!). I imagine they have dealt with the issue a lot.
It sounds like it might be 'best practice' or just generous for them to give them to us...but I think my work thinks their maternity pay and leave allowance is very generous, and they certainly did not want to set a precedent by giving these days to one person, and then opening the flood gates to all.
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