Chestnut Grove zebra crossing plans are a yes Post Reply

[CyclingLondon]

Just had letter through door - it's a yes.

Work will start half-term.

 

[Goldhawk]

Chestnut Grove & Boundaries Road - Road Safety & Public Realm Improvements - Have your say - Citizen Space
 Further detail on the consultation response is as follows:

Response summary    741
Positive: generally supporting the proposals    263
Supporting zebra crossings, objecting to other aspects    121
Negative: generally against the proposals    307
Respondent did not express a view supporting or against the proposals    50
 

[waltzer]

So most against the one way part by a country mile but it is still going ahead? Not sure why they bothered consulting in the first place if they were just going to ignore the response? 

[CyclingLondon]

I have to say I am delighted that it's gone ahead but I do think it's going to involve some pretty big changes.

As someone who is pro the changes I do wonder how bad the response would have to be for them to not go ahead?

[Goldhawk]

I think it was just a box ticking exercise - they would have gone ahead regardless

Similar to Lambeth and the road changes in Streatham

There was a previous consultation on changes to Tooting Broadway but nothing seems to have happened there - not sure if that's due to TfL or because it's not someone's pet project

[Starr]

Agree. They were never going to listen to people in the neighbourhood and it was very obvious with how the consultation was carried out. Underhand as always.
I predict traffic!

[LovingLifeinWandsworth]

Total disaster. They has already decided to do this and there was no real consultation. The meeting with Jack Mayoras last night at St Mary's Church got very heated - clearly a lot of local upset at these plans. Also - they confirmed they are spending £150k on the scheme!

[Shaftesburymum]

My reading of the results is that a healthy majority of respondents are in favour of either the full proposal or are in favour of the pedestrian crossing, but not the right turn restrictions. As the point out the crossing without the right turn restriction would be a hazard.

The crossing is to aid the safety of children. It is also noted that the area is unsafe for cyclists, and that children frequently spill onto the road because the space allocated to pedestrians is insufficient v the space allocated to cars, which the concern about speeding would indicate is too great.

So the council have had to balance an improvement in child and cyclist safety with limited inconvenience to motorists, and have prioritised safety. On the plus side, when public space is designed to make walking and cycling safe, more people walk and cycle and this reduces congestion. Perhaps some parents will now consider it safe for children to walk to school in the area.

[Get_a_grip]

Oh dear Wandsworth are doing something to keep our children safer as they walk to school. Whatever next? Policies to clean up the air we breathe? What a bunch of tyrants.

[mememe]

waltzer wrote:
> So most against the one way part by a country mile but it is still going
> ahead? Not sure why they bothered consulting in the first place if they
> were just going to ignore the response? 

It was passed thru the transport committee the day before they started this sham consultation. It was always going to go ahead regardless of if they got 100% replies against it. When you get the cycling activists going for this they know all the devious ways to get it thru, they outnumber everyone. Jack Mayorcas posts re London Cycling Campaign, theyre all activists, check it out.

[mememe]

CyclingLondon wrote:
> I have to say I am delighted that it's gone ahead but I do think it's going
> to involve some pretty big changes.
>
> As someone who is pro the changes I do wonder how bad the response would
> have to be for them to not go ahead?

The labour councillors voted against there being a public consultation (and won) claiming its only a minor traffic change. Lies!

Even if they response was 100% against they would still go ahead with it, they said there was nothing anyone could do! I thought we lived in a democracy ... ??

[mememe]

Goldhawk wrote:
> I think it was just a box ticking exercise - they would have gone ahead
> regardless
>
> Similar to Lambeth and the road changes in Streatham
>
> There was a previous consultation on changes to Tooting Broadway but
> nothing seems to have happened there - not sure if that's due to TfL or
> because it's not someone's pet project

Yes, they were always going ahead regardless, it was passed before any glimmer of a consultation, it was indeed for show. The London Cycling Campaign activists have got this one tight. Jo Rigby's pet project along with her cronies Jack Mayorcas, Critchard et al. All belong to this campaign, surely there shd be something against them all being councillors as they have to declare this as a personal interest.

Theyre now trying to dumb down the effect its going to have by delaying the school street on Hearnville, until they can get it in ....

[mememe]

Shaftesburymum wrote:
> My reading of the results is that a healthy majority of respondents are in
> favour of either the full proposal or are in favour of the pedestrian
> crossing, but not the right turn restrictions. As the point out the
> crossing without the right turn restriction would be a hazard.
>
> The crossing is to aid the safety of children. It is also noted that the
> area is unsafe for cyclists, and that children frequently spill onto the
> road because the space allocated to pedestrians is insufficient v the space
> allocated to cars, which the concern about speeding would indicate is too
> great.
>
> So the council have had to balance an improvement in child and cyclist
> safety with limited inconvenience to motorists, and have prioritised
> safety. On the plus side, when public space is designed to make walking and
> cycling safe, more people walk and cycle and this reduces congestion.
> Perhaps some parents will now consider it safe for children to walk to
> school in the area.

No, there isnt a majority for any of these proposals.

And no one is in favour of the one way part which is a waste of a lot of money & will cause speeding - as Jo Rigby has stated herself is the case with one way roads. This will make Boundaries Rd on the way to the crossing much more dangerous for pedestrians and even for cyclists - what do they do around the bit that has cycle contraflow? I suppose it doesnt matter as hardly anyone cycles to school on that rd anyway.

Kids spill onto the street as too many come out at once all from one entrance. The school has 3 entrances so maybe they should use them for the safety of their own kids, or stagger their chucking out times like other schools do??

The space for cars is 1 lane in either direction, it could hardly be any less, mostly 1 lane for both directions on Boundaries Rd. There isn't much chance for speeding at present bt this will soon change and tehre will be plenty of speeding. The council's own engineers report states that there isnt any problem with speeding, this will be in the head of the activist implementing this.

Its nothing to do with the council anyway, its the cycling activists who have got in as councillors solely to implement this. Taken on the role of chair of the transport committee then stepping down. Her job here is done.

[mememe]

Get_a_grip wrote:
> Oh dear Wandsworth are doing something to keep our children safer as they
> walk to school. Whatever next? Policies to clean up the air we breathe?
> What a bunch of tyrants.

haha, do u know how ironic that is?

this will cause huge tailbacks on chestnut grove which will create huge pollution which wasnt there before. the kids will now have to walk through this to school and back daily.

and boundaries rd near balham pk rd will become a speeding nightmare & so dangerous for kids, cyclists and everyone.

i hope that makes u happy.

[Jethro]

As someone who spent 35 years as an analyst in the City I cannot see how you can come to that conclusion at all.