The new £3.9m Food waste collections - a massive cost to the taxpayer, this is how to return your bins to the council. Post Reply

[readysteadycook]

https://wandsworth.gov.uk/news/news-mar ... s-for-all/

With the Council now starting this crazy waste of money scheme for food waste, there is a way to return the bucket that you probably won’t use. Do you know how much this scheme costs ? £3.9m to set up and £1.18m extra a year. 



Check this Freedom of Information request out below, I want to know, who are these councillors spending our money like this :-
 

“The anticipated costs associated with introducing a borough wide service for the separate collection of food waste for recycling can be separated into the set up costs (one of cost) and ongoing operation cost (the annual cost to operate the service).
The attached table itemises the anticipated one off set up costs.
The annual cost of ongoing service provision is anticipated to be £1.189 million.”

[chorister]

I really feel for you - it must be absolutely exhausting to be against everything.  I assume you know that food waste recycling occurs in cities all over the world - I can't be bothered to check the local details, but it normally goes into an anaerobic digester to generate clean energy - you know, part of the climate scam.

[Jonny Dyson Property Consultants]

I have to say that I’m with Chorister on this one I’m afraid readysteadycook. As a regular poster, I often see posts from frequent posters that I agree or disagree with, and mostly keep myself to myself and let people vent (which is their prerogative). Unfortunately this is not one of those times, and cannot with a moral conscience hide behind my usual alias on this occasion.

Recycling in any form can only be a good thing in my opinion. Yes it may cost millions, but that is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost to our planet of burying our head in the sand and chucking away perfectly edible produce. Do you know that we throw away the highest amount of food waste in Europe? 13% of edible food and drink purchased by households in the UK is wasted. That is a horrendous waste. If the recycling food bins save or repurpose even a tiny percentage of this then surely that is a win?

Look at what charging for plastic supermarket bags has done - initially no-one liked it, but it has reduced plastic bag use by around 80%, and those supermarkets have now contributed nearly a billion pounds in charitable donations.

I’m really sorry, but your post seems to be really out of touch…

Jonny

[muddyboots]

I think they should have focussed on improving the existing recycling first ideally or alongside.

Reason being, people don’t sort the recycling and bin everything in the orange bags and wrong items.
What people don’t realise is that you are supposed to clean out the tins etc before recycling. ( I do, before anyone assumes the opposite)
What actually happens when it reaches the local centre is that whole batches get discarded and thrown as rubbish if deemed too contaminated to separate! So all a bloody waste of time and recycling opportunity.

I also feel frustrated that several recyclable items don’t get recycled because Wandsworth haven’t got the expertise to do it .

Finally, I stress about the ignorance of people throwing batteries in the bin !!
I even had the local supermarket staff asking be why I was throwing it in the special recycling and had to explain why you can’t throw batteries in the bin .
Unless people want our groundwater and soil contaminated forever, please recycle batteries!

My point is, education is needed.
More recycling hubs are needed where you can directly dump separated things like paper, glass, batteries, general recycling in one place.
Scandinavian counties have done this for DECADES! Every area just need a nearby mini hub with domes you stick it in ! Should be the norm.

Finally on kitchen waste, you don’t need ugly caddies . People just need the food paper bags and it can be put in a normal little bin if easier and emptied as you go along. Or you can place them inside a cupboard door with a little metal holder.

The reason food waste recycling is a good idea is also because they save on the cost of general waste being sent away to be dealt with . Makes sense but will be annoying to get used to .
I too don’t know where to house the caddy and outdoor bin yet as everything has its place … but it’s for the best.

[chorister]

Education is certainly needed - and one point about batteries.  We have a charger which cost about £12 hanging on the wall for AA and AAA batteries.  We use Duracell rechargeables and it has saved us a fortune over the years.

[Goldhawk]

Today I saw the Serco workers toss all the recycling bags and black sacks into the same section of the truck - was this because the recycling section was full?  Or do they do this every week?

[gemima]

Ooh, I need a battery charger.

The problem is Wandsworth have never mentioned in their little leaflets that you need to wash the jars and can first.  They really have never said this.

[MonkeyTeddy]

I really feel for you - it must be absolutely exhausting to be against everything.  I assume you know that food waste recycling occurs in cities all over the world - I can't be bothered to check the local details, but it normally goes into an anaerobic digester to generate clean energy - you know, part of the climate scam.

I don't agree with readysteady cook but I think it is healthy to have different views on here and there is no need to address them in a disparaging way.
 

[MonkeyTeddy]

I think they should have focussed on improving the existing recycling first ideally or alongside.

Reason being, people don’t sort the recycling and bin everything in the orange bags and wrong items.
What people don’t realise is that you are supposed to clean out the tins etc before recycling. ( I do, before anyone assumes the opposite)
What actually happens when it reaches the local centre is that whole batches get discarded and thrown as rubbish if deemed too contaminated to separate! So all a bloody waste of time and recycling opportunity.

I also feel frustrated that several recyclable items don’t get recycled because Wandsworth haven’t got the expertise to do it .

I agree that they should sort out the process for the existing recycling; it is galling to think that so much ends up in landfill even after we consumers have separated it for recycling.

Where I don't agree with you is that we should be cleaning out tins etc. The amount of water wasted is immense if we all have to do it individually, not to mention the amount of time it takes. My view is that they need to improve the existing process to clean tins etc en masse, which would be far more environmentally friendly than watching litres and litres of good, clean water go down the drain, especially as it is virtually impossible to get them clean so that they are not contaminated.
 

[muddyboots]

It checked their website and it’s on there is more specific detail . Then I looked at the sacks and it does say “rinse food residues from containers”.

[atbattersea]

Ooh, I need a battery charger.

The problem is Wandsworth have never mentioned in their little leaflets that you need to wash the jars and can first.  They really have never said this.

They say it all the time! It even says so on the orange sacks they distribute:

Rinse food residues from containers

[atbattersea]

Perhaps the part missing from the costs is whether there are any savings from not sending the food waste to landfill?

[readysteadycook]

Some interesting comments and that's what the post was about.

I feel if you really want to make bigger impacts in reducing waste,  you have to go back up the chain, especially to the supermarkets.

Removing the free plastic bags was a great move, it was obscene the numbers that were used, most going straight into the bin. And of course, at the same time, the supermarkets removed the plastic bags you can put your fruit and veg in (top tip - go to the bakery section and you can still use the bags there!).

However, next time you are in your local supermarket (for those that aren't converted to Ocado!), look at all the plastic and packaging still on the fruit and veg. Obscene. The reason for that is so they can sell up larger quantities.

So instead of buying exactly what we need (and having minimal waste), we have to buy more. That's done to make more supermarket profit.

Also, try this. Any pre-wrapped products that are also sold singularly (eg packs of onions/bananas), go an weigh them as if you are buying them singularly - you will see the significant mark up.

The costs of Wandsworth Labours scheme is significant and not needed (we are going to have a financial hangover when they are voted out), we need to look at the root causes of waste first.

PS Yes Chorister, people need to be aware that the climate is being used to manipulate the populations. Search Twitter for "Climate Scam" and see what you learn. There are a lot of things that don't make sense and we all need to do our own research - dont just accept what information we are spoon fed.

[chorister]

@readysteadycook - why on earth should I worry about what's on Twitter / X?   I have an Oxbridge science degree.  in 1859 John Tyndall, an Irish physicist, established that GHGs are more transparent to short wavelength than long wavelength radiation, a result that has been reproduced in countless laboratories since.  Radiant energy arrives from the sun at short (visible and ultraviolet) wavelengths so the amount arriving is almost unaffected by rising GHG levels.  However about 30% is reflected and radiated back to space at long infrared wavelengths.  Tyndall's discovery means we can be sure that as GHG concentrations rise more energy will therefore be trapped in the atmosphere (because, if you haven't grasped the point, less escapes).  More energy means more heat (basic physics) and since climate  conditions are heat dependent that means that more energy / heat will affect / change the climate.  What is scary is that this basic science is not complicated - Greta got it years ago.  Can't you can understand it too?  Go on, be brave and accept that perhaps relying on Twitter / X may not be the best plan for assessing risk.

[ronangel]

This idea will soon come to an abrupt halt when
(a) no one uses the bins and they are always empty when collected.
(b) some bright person from a far off land finds a market for them in another part of the UK or a far off land and they all disappear never to be seen again one day or night!
Wont be long way things are going that we will need these!

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